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Re: Administrivia: Poll
From: "Paul M. Hirsch" <paul () voltagenoir org>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:50:08 -0500
From my count, "Morning Wood" has sent 103 messages to
full-disclosure since March 23, 2003. Many of those messages were in response to flames. The signal to noise ratio has gone to hell, but not from those 103 messages. I site the the following as more significant problems than one person: 1) An unyielding flood of responses to and complaints about Morning Wood. 2) Whining about "lack of professionalism" (despite the fact that the name of this list is not "Ultra-Respectable-Uptight-Full-And-Homogenous-Disclosure"), and despite the fact that pointing out how "unprofessional" others are is as unprofessional as being crude or sloppy. 3) "I am unsubscribing because this all sucks" messages. Number 2 is particularly irritating because we should WANT non-professionals to release code and info to this list. The goal should be to make releasing on Full-Disclosure something to be proud of, regardless of what color hat you claim to wear. I welcome the announcement from some 13 year old kid who can't spell and injects profanity into every sentence! Would we rather he/she keep the information to themself? As others have said, if you don't want to listen to Morning Wood, block him yourself. If you don't want political discussion or flame wars on the list, then don't start them! Don't respond to them! Morning Wood is not even a good example of a list troll, since he sticks his neck out to offer on-topic info from time to time. The name of the list is "Full-Disclosure". Don't bend to popular opinion about unpopular speech. Protect open discourse, and protect open research and security. This whole "Morning Wood" thing should be a non-issue. If the skin of so many of this list's members are too thin to handle him, I wonder how they handle other lists that have real trolls and flame wars of epic proportion. Freedom and openness have a price. Sometimes it is ugly, or tiresome, but it is always worth it. I urge this list not to buckle and succumb to the seductive siren named censorship. -Paul _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Current thread:
- Re: Administrivia: Poll, (continued)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll morning_wood (Jun 12)
- RE: Administrivia: Poll James Jacobs (Jun 12)
- RE: Administrivia: Poll Ed Carp (Jun 11)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll morning_wood (Jun 12)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll Peter van den Heuvel (Jun 12)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll David Bernick (Jun 12)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll S . f . Stover (Jun 12)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll Shawn McMahon (Jun 12)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll Martin Ekendahl (Jun 12)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll noconflic (Jun 12)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll Paul M. Hirsch (Jun 12)
- The point, kids. Mike Fratto (Jun 12)
- Re: The point, kids. Paul M. Hirsch (Jun 12)
- The point, kids. Mike Fratto (Jun 12)
- waste of time (was Re: Administrivia: Poll) Rick Updegrove (Jun 12)
- Re: waste of time (was Re: Administrivia: Poll) Chris Vicious (Jun 12)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll j. p. (Jun 12)
- RE: Administrivia: Poll Schmehl, Paul L (Jun 12)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll Riad S. Wahby (Jun 12)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll Jason (Jun 12)
- Re: Administrivia: Poll dev-null (Jun 13)
- Re: Re: Administrivia: Poll Andreas Gietl (Jun 13)
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