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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm
From: "Robert J. Liebsch" <rliebsch () stoneyamashita com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:49:20 -0700
So, your wise solution: Unplug everything until users RTFM and/or spend another 70 dollars on a simple LinkSys NAT device. The users bought a computer, they bought broadband. Is it too much to expect that they drop some cash to protect their investment. They don't have to understand HOW it works, only that it does. Apparrently your solution is a null set. Ineresting... I'l begin deploying Etch-A-Sketches tomorrow. As to your derision... Well, how quaint and acedemic of you. I expect next you should resort to insults about my mother, and maybe some leet speak. I wait with anticipation ever growing. Remember friend, the sum of your stunning retort was insult followed by a null solution. Your debating skills are, well, weak -------------------------- Robert Liebsch, I.T. Stone Yamashita Partners via BlackBerry SY[P] Stone Yamashita Partners, San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: John Ruppert <likewhoa_666 () hotmail com> To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com <full-disclosure () lists netsys com> Sent: Thu Jun 05 07:06:43 2003 Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm
From: "Robert J. Liebsch" <rliebsch () stoneyamashita com> To: "Schmehl, Paul L" <pauls () utdallas edu> CC: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com> Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:57:12 -0700 worse than HTML email... Exchange
worse than Exange... it's Users.
*eep*
Please continue.
I have mixed emotions about making ppl understand security. Users are rather stupid by nature. Otherwise, I wouldn't have a job.
Now that's a fun sentence, you have to admit it. "Users are rather stupid by nature. Otherwise, I wouldn't have a job." Let's analyse this. It's not hard to understand. Translation: "I am not smart enough to handle intelligent people."
I think however, having them use the software and equipment, making natural, and letting them watch the news and read the magazines, and talk to the clients about "oh, that worm/virus/hack, didn't affect us.
wtf? News are evil. News is business. News are not facts and influence the world's population way of thinking.
I cannot make users understand why they need to change passwords. They argue and whine and cry alot, but they do change those passwords.
erase their data once and they will never cry alot again.
My wife, my family are not tech savvy folks. But they humor me and they take precautions, then they patiently listen to their friends and collegues complain about virii, ftp and irc servers they were unwittingly running on thier systems. Then I get to overhear my family say things like "well why don't you have a Router/Firewall thingy... it works for me" 9out of 10, that silly little NAT on the linksys is enough to ward off penetrations to home computers, for home manual non-reading users.
Just so you know, unplugging the wire solves 10 out of 10. -likewhoa How do you plan to change the world, today ? --- "I like to control my brain with my brain." -Harden _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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