Re: CERT, Full Disclosure, and Security By Obscurity

["yossarian" <yossarian () planet nl>]

Possible, NZ is digital heaven compared to some other countries. Will you
make the alerting service free then? Because many posters do not like
commercial or government entities running away with their work. I am not
saying you will, but it just might happen - it is happening all over the
place.

I guess  the progress in our field made over the last few years, is
currently being reversed.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Arjen De Landgraaf" <arjen.de.landgraaf () cologic co nz>
To: "'Steffen Dettmer'" <steffen () dett de>;
<full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] CERT, Full Disclosure, and Security By
Obscurity


What about making it available through www.e-secure-db.us ?
right now it is a frozen copy, last update 30 October 2002.
However, that can be changed.

Arjen
New Zealand

-----Original Message-----
From: Steffen Dettmer [mailto:steffen () dett de]
Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2003 10:15 a.m.
To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] CERT, Full Disclosure, and Security By
Obscurity


* Len Rose wrote on Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:22 -0500:
 [...]
> With the recent evidence that CERT informed it's paying members about the
> Sapphire SQL worm before the rest of the world should now indicate that
> they too are not a useful resource for timely and open security
information.
 [...]
> and the security information it hopes to provide
> may well become illegal (at least here in the US)
>
> To summarize my opinion, I feel that security information must simply be
> made available to as many people as possible as quickly as possible, and
> let corporations, systems staff, and security professionals handle the
> problems. "The public has a right to know.."

So we need a non-US OpenCERT?

When the US laws make it illegal to know about incidents, I think
finally incidents will need to be reported for and from non-US
only, hum.

Aren't the current practices here looking like steps backward?
Still confused...

oki,

Steffen

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