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RE: Re: Microsoft urging users to buy Harware Firewalls
From: "James Patterson Wicks" <pwicks () oxygen com>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:25:23 -0400
This are the exact words from the article in question: "If you have a stand-alone computer or connect to the Internet with a dial-up connection, a software firewall is the right choice. In fact, Windows XP includes Internet Connection Firewall. A hardware firewall is more complex to configure, but once you get it set up, it runs on its own to protect your network. Combined with ICF or a third-party software-based firewall, you've got maximum security for your network. Whichever you choose, you'll find using the Internet much more enjoyable when you're nestled safely behind a firewall" That's a far cry from "urging users to buy hardware firewalls." -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com]On Behalf Of Stephen Clowater Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:38 PM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Fwd: Re: [Full-disclosure] Microsoft urging users to buy Harware Firewalls -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On August 13, 2003 05:06 pm, Joey wrote:
Although it is true, i still thought it was interesting because it was written yesterday. They'd rather have people buy hardware firewalls instead of stopping their software from having open ports on the internet. http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/columns/northrup/02august12.asp
Of course they want windows users to buy hardware firewalls. The windows TCP stack is so weak, and the system so insecurly designed that windows machines that don't have another box .... doing the work the OS itself is suppose to be doing ... this is not a good olution because it dosnt really address the problem. Currently, the back door to my apartment is sticking. I've found its because when you turn the knob....the latch does not retract completely into the door. Should I fix that by shaveing some wood off the doorframe so it wont catch agianst it when the door is opened? Of course not, your not actually fixing anything there are you? And theres nothing to stop the problem from causing the latch to continue saging further out of the door as time goes on. If all I do is to continue to shave wood off the frame soon the door wont close at all. So why should we have to stick a firewall in front of a machine just to stop the OS from blundering what comes over the wire? I think this is more of a attempt by microsoft to find a cheap solution to midigate the massive amount of break ins of windows boxes. After all....a windows box is just an irc bot you havent rooted yet :)
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