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Re: CounterAttack
From: "Jeff Bankston" <suse () mail bciassociates com>
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:04:17 -0400
Phil, I have to echo the other comments, because sometimes your return fire invites an escalation before you know all of the facts. We spend alot of time in the forensics of an attack to understand if first it is _us_ letting the vunerability in where we coulde have simply made our systems, firewalls, and perimeter routers more secure in the first place. Next, as sensitive as these attacks have become, your launching even a single strike could invoke your ISP's eyre and get your connection disconnected before you have a chance to defend what was done to you in the first place. We usually take the tact of 1. understanding the probe/attack 2. identifying the intruder 3. gathering forensics data 4. attempt to stop/mitigate the attack 5. approach your ISP and the attackers source about the attack with the forensics data If the attacks don't stop, you can then use the forensics data to attempt legal action if you feel it is warranted. We've only threatened legal action once, and that was after the ISP just refused to believe that they were hacked themselves but later found out how/where/why using our forensics data. Everyone else has been pretty good about it. -Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dolbow, Phil" <PDolbow () NetTexas com> Newsgroups: Security.Full-Disclosure To: "'Andy Wood'" <andy () digitalindustry org>; <full-disclosure () lists netsys com> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] CounterAttack Andy et al.. Being of military (Infantry) origin I am quite prone to want to take the offensive and fire back at a high rate of fire on a system that is assaulting mine. I don't however do so as then I become one of the bad guys, and in my opinion, step over the line. I am interested though what the list members think about this. I would like to pose these questions: If your network is PROBED by another system, where do you draw your line? A) Log the data and otherwise do nothing. B) Probe the other system. C) Infiltrate the other system, but do no damage. D) Shut the other system down. E) Destroy the other system. F) Destroy the other system and all others around it. If your network is ATTACKED by another system, where do you draw your line? A) Log the data and otherwise do nothing. B) Probe the other system. C) Infiltrate the other system, but do no damage. D) Shut the other system down. E) Destroy the other system. F) Destroy the other system and all others around it. Thanks for your feedback. -=Phil=- -----Original Message----- From: Andy Wood [mailto:andy () digitalindustry org] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 20:30 PM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] DCOM RPC exploit (dcom.c)
FYI, Incidents.org reports: "Widespread scans for unpatched Windows machines underway (RPC vulnerability). Patch systems and block ports 135-139 & 445".
NetBIOS Scans haven't necessarily increased. I can't believe that any port is more sought out than NetBIOS. I see 139 and 445 more than any other port, and it has been that way for more than 2 years. But it isn't without good reason....if you get probed for 139 or 445, probe back; 8 out of 10 times it is open, and that system is infected with a worm. Then hit 'em with a smbclient or Winfingerprint, get that password policy and username/share list, find the weak password and welcome to their network......or dcom.c, that works too. Andy -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Knud Erik Højgaard Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:14 PM To: Peter Kruse; full-disclosure () lists netsys com Peter Kruse wrote:
FYI, Incidents.org reports: "Widespread scans for unpatched Windows machines underway (RPC vulnerability). Patch systems and block ports 135-139 & 445". This might be caused by several tools in the hands of kiddies probing IP´s for vulnerable systems. This could also be caused by a worm making it´s first round crashing and exploiting boxes. I guess time will tell.
when it strikes, it won't be silent.
BTW - nothing here, it´s all quite around my firewalls.
quiets? wait and see. -- kokasviiijn _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/24/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/24/2003 _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- RE: CounterAttack Dolbow, Phil (Jul 31)
- Re: CounterAttack Martin Peikert (Aug 01)
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- Re: CounterAttack Jeff Bankston (Aug 01)
- RE: CounterAttack Schmehl, Paul L (Aug 01)