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Re: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect
From: "morning_wood" <se_cur_ity () hotmail com>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:09:38 -0700
my stance is that as a entity on the internet, it is the responsibility of the person or orginization that connects to a hostile enviroment to ensure themselves a reasonable ammount of protection. my "murder" analogy, applies to the ATTITUDE of said person/orginazation and the general internet public. Im not blaming a person for being attacked in the real world. how can i set the frame here.. ok, i was not affected by the msblast worm because of measures i have in place, and have had before and during the attack of this vunerability. but if i had NOT been, the responsibility would lie solely with ME in my failure to protect myself ( and my network ) in that hostile environment, thus if i blame some other party ( LSD, micro$sotf, or msblaster coder ) i am shifting the blame away by way of the "poor me" scenario. i apologize for not being clear in the first place and i can see how it could be looked at differently. Personally I have never been the one of "they deserved it" when it comes to a crime against humans with your examples stated. ( rape victim dress or protection from a bullet ) thank you, Donnie Werner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schmehl, Paul L" <pauls () utdallas edu> To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect
-----Original Message----- From: morning_wood [mailto:se_cur_ity () hotmail com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:04 PM To: Schmehl, Paul L; full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Authorities eye MSBlaster suspectSo you would blame murder victims for being in the wrong place? Or rape victims for wearing the wrong clothing? Nice set of ethics there.NO !!! i think you mixed the top portion of my post with the "poor me" examples on the bottom, i blame the person that commits the act gimme a break, and quit trying to miscontrue things PaulWhat did I misconstrue? You stated that you believed that admins were at fault for worm infections. I quote, "It seems to me that it is each admins responsiblity, if they were affected ( infected ) not the coder." What about your statement quoted here did I misconstrue? Admins are affected by worms the same way that a crime victim is affected by the crime committed against them. Some argue they were in the wrong place or they were dressed wrong or they should have known better than to be where the criminal was. Your argument is essentially the same, is it not? Paul Schmehl (pauls () utdallas edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/
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- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect, (continued)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Rainer Gerhards (Aug 29)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Schmehl, Paul L (Aug 29)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Jerry Heidtke (Aug 29)
- Re: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Jeremiah Cornelius (Aug 29)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Schmehl, Paul L (Aug 29)
- Re: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect morning_wood (Aug 29)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Schmehl, Paul L (Aug 29)
- Re: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Anthony Saffer (Aug 29)
- Re: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Paul Schmehl (Aug 29)
- Re: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Michael D Schleif (Aug 29)
- Re: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Anthony Saffer (Aug 29)
- Re: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect morning_wood (Aug 29)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Steve Wray (Aug 29)
- Re: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Jeremiah Cornelius (Aug 29)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Jason Coombs (Aug 29)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Jason Coombs (Aug 29)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Jason Coombs (Aug 29)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Jason Coombs (Aug 29)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Paul Schmehl (Aug 29)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Jason Coombs (Aug 29)
- RE: Authorities eye MSBlaster suspect Jerry Heidtke (Aug 29)
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