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Re: Firewalls that generate new packets..
From: "Paul Melson" <pmelson () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:44:57 -0500
Isn't that kind of amazing? People look at these "stateful firewalls" as
if they're somehow
doing something IMPORTANT but they're basically a router with
"established" and a kind of
"synthetic established" for UDP. People, that's barely a security device
at all - 99% of what
you're getting is the "firewall" sticker on the front.
You're overlooking the real value of state tables, I think. The real advantage isn't technical, it's cognitive. If I don't have to think about, decide on, classify, and manage all ends of the traffic crossing my border, my life is a whole lot easier. A stateful firewall lets you think about your policy in terms of published services; "I let the whole Internet connect to this web server and that mail server, but nothing else. And then whatever our people inside want to do." Call it cynical. Call it misguided. Call it naive. Call it stupid. But it saves time and energy which translates to money. And it seems to be where the equilibrium for the firewall security vs. admin overhead equation is, or at least has been in recent history. PaulM _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () listserv icsalabs com https://listserv.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.., (continued)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. pkc_mls (Nov 19)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. lordchariot (Nov 21)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Marcus J. Ranum (Nov 23)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. jdgorin (Nov 21)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Dave Piscitello (Nov 21)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. jdgorin (Nov 21)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Bill McGee (bam) (Nov 25)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Paul D. Robertson (Nov 25)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Marcus J. Ranum (Nov 25)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Marcin Antkiewicz (Nov 26)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Paul Melson (Nov 26)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Jim Seymour (Nov 26)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Marcus J. Ranum (Nov 26)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Jim Seymour (Nov 26)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Darren Reed (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Marcus J. Ranum (Nov 28)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Paul D. Robertson (Nov 25)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Paul Melson (Nov 27)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Marcus J. Ranum (Nov 27)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Darden, Patrick S. (Nov 27)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Marcus J. Ranum (Nov 27)
- Re: Firewalls that generate new packets.. Darren Reed (Nov 27)