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Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls?
From: Gadi Evron <ge () egotistical reprehensible net>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:12:16 +0200
Not in this country, and nor should you- morally the theif and the murderer are the ones at fault. I can use your *pen* to kill someone quite easily- does this mean that you're now required to have a "pen safe?" I can use the category 5 cable connecting your computer to the jack in the wall to strangle someone- does that now have to be locked up? Any legal system flawed enough to produce liability in such cases on a regular basis is doomed to more abuse than the original damage.
Most computer crimes are not "hacking", they are about computers being used to perpetrate/help commit a crime, such as fraud.
Economic damages caused by computer crimes, worms, etc. are sky-rocketing.The difference between if a person stole your gun to kill someone, or your .. cable.. is that a gun is a weapon.
If someone stole your gun and committed a crime you may not be tried for murder, but you will be for negligence.
Again, I don't believe users should be tried for negligence, I was just stating what would have happened if some sort of training/legislation was in place, much like for car driving. Again, this was on the philosophical level/plain.
DDoS is a weapon, used for blackmail, economic harm, etc. The analogy, although not the severity, is perfect, imo. Gadi Evron. _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls?, (continued)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Paul Robertson (Feb 05)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Marcus J. Ranum (Feb 05)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr (Feb 05)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Gadi Evron (Feb 05)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Paul Robertson (Feb 05)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Gadi Evron (Feb 05)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Paul Robertson (Feb 05)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Gadi Evron (Feb 05)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Gadi Evron (Feb 05)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Paul Robertson (Feb 05)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Gadi Evron (Feb 05)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Paul Robertson (Feb 05)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Stephen P. Berry (Feb 21)
- Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? R. DuFresne (Feb 21)
- offtopic - drivers Re: Botnets, IRC servers and firewalls? Gary Flynn (Feb 05)