Re: Google announces privacy changes, no opt out for users

[Jesse Thompson <jesse.thompson () DOIT WISC EDU>]

Right.  Google is being intentionally vague.

I'm not a lawyer, but my interpretation is that the new privacy policy 
effectively allows Google to bypass the protections offered in the EDU 
privacy policy for the core apps.  The only way around it is to disable 
all of the non-core apps.  Again, I'm no lawyer.

From http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/preview/

"We may combine personal information from one service with information, 
including personal information, from other Google services"

I understand this to mean that all apps are now able to interchange 
personal data, which means that the new consumer apps privacy policy 
would effectively minimize or eliminate (in some cases) the protections 
within our core apps privacy policy.

Jesse

On 1/27/12 11:56 AM, Mike Porter wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, H Morrow Long wrote:
>
> Without knowing what our contract states, and what portions of the
> contracts refer to URLs whose contents may or may not have changed,
> the below statement sort of means nothing. Well, it means Google is
> not violating a legal contract, but the terms in that contract were
> hardly static, if I recall correctly. Am I wrong for most of us?
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Porter
> Systems Programmer V
> IT/NSS
> University of Delaware
>
> > Google's new privacy change will apparently not affect Education,
> > Government nor Enterprise business customers (at least not right away
> > anyway).
> > As long as we have current contracts.
> >
> > [
> > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9223753/Google_says_privacy_change_won_t_affect_government_users?source=CTWNLE_nlt_security_2012-01-27&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+computerworld%2Fs%2Ffeed%2Ftopic%2F84+%28Computerworld+Privacy+News%29
> > ]
> >
> > Google says privacy change won't affect government users
> >
> > Company downplays privacy, security concerns from former federal IT
> > official
> >
> > By Jaikumar Vijayan
> > January 26, 2012 05:02 PM ET
> > 1 Comment
> >
> > Computerworld - Google today dismissed concerns by a former senior
> > federal IT official that the company's controversial new privacy
> > policy would create problems for customers of Google Apps for
> > Government (GAFG).
> >
> > In a statement, Google said the new policy will not change existing
> > contracts that define how it handles and stores data belonging to
> > government users of its cloud services. "Enterprise customers using
> > Google Apps for Government, Business or Education have individual
> > contracts that define how we handle and store their data," Amit Singh,
> > vice president of Google Enterprise said in a statement.
> >
> > "As always, Google will maintain our enterprise customers' data in
> > compliance with the confidentiality and security obligations provided
> > to their domain," he said.
> >
> > According to Singh, Googles contractual agreements have always
> > superseded its privacy policy for enterprise customers.
> >
> >
> > On Jan 26, 2012, at 1:11 PM, H Morrow Long wrote:
> >
> > > I think we need to hear from Google.
> > >
> > > Part of the rationale for the current change is that Google wants to
> > > reduce the # of different privacy policies they have (for different
> > > products).
> > >
> > > Morrow
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 26, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't see any indication that the changes to the generic policy
> > > > are trumped by the edu-apps policy. But, I'm no lawyer.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/edu/privacy.html
> > > >
> > > > Jesse
> > > >
> > > > On 1/26/12 11:08 AM, Joel Rosenblatt wrote:
> > > > > I asked the question also and was told (not by google) that this only
> > > > > applies to their consumer apps, not core Google Apps for Edu
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you contacted google to confirm this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Joel
> > > > >
> > > > > --On Wednesday, January 25, 2012 12:56 PM -0500 Morrow Long
> > > > > <morrow.long () YALE EDU> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Read it & trying to determine what this means for Yale.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We outsource many of our studen
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my iPhonet email accts to Google now (though our branded
> > > > > > gmail does not have Google targeted ads shown alongside the
> > > > > > messages).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Morrow
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 25, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Nicole Kegler <nk278 () georgetown edu>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Has anyone read this article about the privacy changes being
> > > > > > > implemented by Google starting March 1? What are your thoughts?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/google-tracks-consumers-across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?hpid=z3
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Nicole Kegler
> > > > > > > Communications Manager
> > > > > > > University Information Security Office
> > > > > > > Georgetown University
> > > > > > > 202-687-5784
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Protecting data is a shared responsibility!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > INSTALL antivirus and antispyware software.
> > > > > > > USE strong passwords.
> > > > > > > KNOW who you are dealing with online.
> > > > > > > STORE confidential and sensitive data on encrypted devices only.
> > > > > > > SHUT DOWN computers or disconnect from the Internet when it's not in
> > > > > > > use.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security
> > > > > Columbia Information Security Office (CISO)
> > > > > Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033
> > > > > http://www.columbia.edu/~joel
> > > > > Public PGP key
> > > > > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x90BD740BCC7326C3
>
> -
> Mike Porter
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