Re: FW: Michael - Patent Infringement Notice

[Dave Koontz <dkoontz () MBC EDU>]

Thanks Valerie.  This is a tough thing to work through to be sure. 
There are valid arguments for private and public lists.  Personally, I
tend to fall into the camp that believes that that EduCause lists should
be limited to educational institutions.  Like many, my contact
information has been harvested by many vendors, and every time I discuss
an issue I somehow auto-magically get contacted by vendors whom I did
not solicit.  My goal in using EduCause lists is to work with other
brethren in the Educational community, not vendors.

I also understand many of non US educational institutions may not have a
.EDU domain.

So, to that end I have two questions, trying to think outside of the
"box" so to speak.

1)  Could EduCause email list subscription requests reference a list of
accredited Higher Ed institution domains world wide for authorization
for inclusion?

2) Could EduCause setup a "separate"  Public list for members, vendors
and others?  In this way, existing EduCause lists could be used by
accredited institutions to discuss things internally, and the additional
list could be used as a "reach out" list for those wanting to solicit
input from a more global community?  It seems to me, many of our
conversations on these lists deal with campus processes (likely boring
to vendors), and it's only when certain technologies are discussed that
vendors may or may not be of value, and your members could then decide
to inquire to internal members, or open the discussion to the larger
community including vendors.

---
Dave Koontz
Mary Baldwin College


On 12/8/2011 11:05 AM, Valerie Vogel wrote:
> Rodney and I are taking your concerns under consideration. Specifically whether the list should be non-accessible to 
> vendors, and not archived in a publicly searchable format on the Internet. As Larry mentions, limiting to .edu may 
> unintentionally exclude some institutions. 
> Thank you,
> Valerie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of 
> Carson, Larry
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 8:03 AM
> To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> Subject: Re: [SECURITY] FW: Michael - Patent Infringement Notice
>
> I think .edu too narrowly limits the group to US higher ed institutes only when Educause is world-wide in scope. I 
> don't see any issue with limiting it to Educause member institutes though. 
>
>  
> Larry
>  
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> Larry Carson
> Associate Director, Information Security Management Information Technology | Engage. Envision. Enable.
> The University of British Columbia
> Tel: 604.822.0773 | Twitter: @L4rryC4rson
>   
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv <SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>
> To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU <SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>
> Sent: Thu Dec 08 07:54:30 2011
> Subject: Re: [SECURITY] FW: Michael - Patent Infringement Notice
>
> I think participation in the list should be limited to .edu addresses and that access to the archives be limited to 
> those with Educause login
> credentials.   We can protect future discussions even if we can't
> expunge the past archives from the public space.    In my view, anyone
> who posts security related or DMCA complaint information to a public forum should be thinking long and hard about who 
> is reading the posts.
>
> Chuck
>
> Charles F. Dunn
> Information Security Officer
> University at Buffalo
> 716-645-3582
>
>
> On 12/8/11 10:29 AM, Ken Connelly wrote:
> > There are guidelines, and EDUCAUSE generally does a good job of 
> > helping to enforce them.  That said, the list is public and 
> > archived/available on the web.  Even if vendors and trolls aren't list 
> > members, they can still see what's been said.  Even if that's removed 
> > or restricted to EDUCAUSE/list members only, it's been available and 
> > you have to presume that there are copies other than the one that EDUCAUSE maintains.
> >
> > I think that Dennis has made a huge mistake here, but I find that 
> > vendors tend to think differently than I do.
> >
> > - ken
> >
> > Hanson, Mike wrote:
> > > Valerie and Rodney,
> > >
> > > Why are non .edu people allowed to post on this forum and threaten 
> > > legal action?
> > >
> > > What is the value of this forum if it is not the free exchange of 
> > > information between .edu's?
> > >
> > > Members are asking for and seeking advice on particular products and 
> > > implementations. Now we have to worry about whether or not a 
> > > particular vendor is listening and will seek legal recourse based on 
> > > an opinion expressed?
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike Hanson
> > > Network Security Manager
> > > The College of St. Scholastica
> > > Duluth, MN 55811
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:42 AM, SCHALIP, MICHAEL <mschalip () cnm edu 
> > > <mailto:mschalip () cnm edu>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Hey Educause…..any thoughts here? 
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     We come on this discussion group for the free exchange of ideas –
> > >     and THIS is allowed!?
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     Wow…..
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     *From:* Dennis Meharchand [mailto:dennis () valtx com
> > >     <mailto:dennis () valtx com>]
> > >     *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:25 PM
> > >     *To:* SCHALIP, MICHAEL
> > >     *Subject:* RE: Michael - Patent Infringement Notice
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     Michael,
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     I think your response was bad form.
> > >
> > >     I am instructing my lawyers to file the first patent infringement
> > >     lawsuit against CNM.
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     Let’s see how much of a bad publicity stunt this is.
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     Dennis Meharchand
> > >
> > >     CEO, Valt.X Technologies Inc.
> > >
> > >     Cell: 416-618-4622 <tel:416-618-4622>
> > >
> > >     Email: dennis () valtx com <mailto:dennis () valtx com>
> > >
> > >     Web: www.valtx.com <http://www.valtx.com>
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     *From:* The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv
> > >     [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> > >     <mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>] *On Behalf Of *SCHALIP,
> > >     MICHAEL
> > >     *Sent:* December 7, 2011 9:34 AM
> > >     *To:* SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> > >     <mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>
> > >     *Subject:* [Possible Spam] Re: [SECURITY] Deepfreeze on vm's?
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     Bad form…..scare tactics…..bad publicity stunt…..how do we get the
> > >     Educause moderator involved??
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     *From:* The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv
> > >     [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> > >     <mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Walter Moore
> > >     *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2011 6:54 AM
> > >     *To:* SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> > >     <mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>
> > >     *Subject:* Re: [SECURITY] Deepfreeze on vm's?
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     You had it right in your first paragraph. Whatever the merits of
> > >     your patent case (and you will have to forgive my skepticism) you
> > >     have no business interjecting it into this discussion.
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Dennis Meharchand
> > >     <dennis () valtx com <mailto:dennis () valtx com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     This is likely one of those situations where I should just
> > >     continue to shut my mouth until we are already to act but here goes:
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     My company Valt.X Technologies owns the patents in this area and
> > >     we intend to enforce our patents in 2012.
> > >
> > >     Here’s my advice – if you are using Deep Freeze or any VDI -
> > >     include in your contract that they cover you for Patent Infringement.
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     Valt.X has just won its first public tender in Canada – we own
> > >     this area and intend to enforce our intellectual property rights.
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     Our position is that Deep Freeze is a blatant copy of Valt.X
> > >     issued patents and that VDI also infringes our patents – we intend
> > >     to sue all infringers.
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     Dennis Meharchand
> > >
> > >     CEO, Valt.X Technologies Inc.
> > >
> > >     Cell: 416-618-4622 <tel:416-618-4622>
> > >
> > >     Email: dennis () valtx com <mailto:dennis () valtx com>
> > >
> > >     Web: www.valtx.com <http://www.valtx.com>
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     *From:* The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv
> > >     [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> > >     <mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Brandon Payne
> > >     *Sent:* December 6, 2011 6:01 PM
> > >     *To:* SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> > >     <mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>
> > >     *Subject:* [SECURITY] Deepfreeze on vm's?
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     We are looking into VDI for all our computer labs. VMware View to
> > >     be exact with WYSE P20 Zero Clients. Roughly about 300 or more
> > >     vm's for all the labs.
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     From a virtual standpoint - do you see the need for Faronics
> > >     Deepfreeze on all computer lab vm's? Currently we are using
> > >     Deepfreeze on our desktops in all labs and has worked out great.
> > >     For this situation, I'm not interested in the security
> > >     implications of why Deepfreeze is bad, just if its recommended in
> > >     a virtual environment.  
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     What are you doing in situations if a user profile gets hosed up
> > >     with malware in this vm enviroment?
> > >
> > >
> > >     -- 
> > >     Brandon Payne
> > >     Technical Support Specialist
> > >     Information Services
> > >     Sauk Valley Community College
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > >     -- 
> > >     +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
> > >     Walter R. Moore --  Sr. Systems Administrator, Eckerd College
> > >     moorewr () eckerd edu <mailto:moorewr () eckerd edu> -- 
> > >     http://home.eckerd.edu/~moorewr 
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> > >
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> > >     And you could keep from grieving at all the pain" - The Iliad 
> > > (13.355)
> > >
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