Re: FW: Michael - Patent Infringement Notice

[Sam Stelfox <SStelfox () VTC VSC EDU>]

I know this can be a rough bit to swallow but this discussions seems to 
crop up every couple of years and I'd highly recommend everyone to find 
those threads before we start a new one. It can definitely be less than 
ideal to leave the lists open, but there are many people that are 
subscribed to this list legitimately from non-edu addresses.

Personally, I think leaving it open so people from other industries can 
see our discussions is a huge benefit. The people on this list are 
intelligent, and thoughtful with their responses. These responses are 
indexed publicly and people with similar problems can see the points and 
counterpoints with each one.

If a vendor violates the sanctity of that discussion, it's not because 
it's encouraged. More likely than not it was a thoughtless act by a 
vendor that chose not to read the rules, or if they have, chose not to 
abide by them. This is a disastrous decision on their part as it will 
cause them to lose more business than they gain as any respect they may 
have will be broken.

There are also legitimate uses for vendor's being able to see these 
lists without harassing the members. By understanding what the current 
concerns and directions different organizations are heading in they can 
choose to adjust their products and provide better features for us all. 
This last point is small, and many may argue with it, but I personally 
consider it valid none-the-less.

--
Regards,
Sam Stelfox
Network Administrator
Vermont Technical College

On 12/08/2011 10:54 AM, Chuck Dunn wrote:
> I think participation in the list should be limited to .edu addresses
> and that access to the archives be limited to those with Educause login
> credentials.   We can protect future discussions even if we can't
> expunge the past archives from the public space.    In my view, anyone
> who posts security related or DMCA complaint information to a public
> forum should be thinking long and hard about who is reading the posts.
>
> Chuck
>
> Charles F. Dunn
> Information Security Officer
> University at Buffalo
> 716-645-3582
>
>
> On 12/8/11 10:29 AM, Ken Connelly wrote:
> > There are guidelines, and EDUCAUSE generally does a good job of helping
> > to enforce them.  That said, the list is public and archived/available
> > on the web.  Even if vendors and trolls aren't list members, they can
> > still see what's been said.  Even if that's removed or restricted to
> > EDUCAUSE/list members only, it's been available and you have to presume
> > that there are copies other than the one that EDUCAUSE maintains.
> >
> > I think that Dennis has made a huge mistake here, but I find that
> > vendors tend to think differently than I do.
> >
> > - ken
> >
> > Hanson, Mike wrote:
> > > Valerie and Rodney,
> > >
> > > Why are non .edu people allowed to post on this forum and threaten
> > > legal action?
> > >
> > > What is the value of this forum if it is not the free exchange of
> > > information between .edu's?
> > >
> > > Members are asking for and seeking advice on particular products and
> > > implementations. Now we have to worry about whether or not a
> > > particular vendor is listening and will seek legal recourse based on
> > > an opinion expressed?
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike Hanson
> > > Network Security Manager
> > > The College of St. Scholastica
> > > Duluth, MN 55811
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:42 AM, SCHALIP, MICHAEL<mschalip () cnm edu
> > > <mailto:mschalip () cnm edu>>  wrote:
> > >
> > >      Hey Educause…..any thoughts here?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      We come on this discussion group for the free exchange of ideas –
> > >      and THIS is allowed!?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Wow…..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      *From:* Dennis Meharchand [mailto:dennis () valtx com
> > >      <mailto:dennis () valtx com>]
> > >      *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:25 PM
> > >      *To:* SCHALIP, MICHAEL
> > >      *Subject:* RE: Michael - Patent Infringement Notice
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Michael,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      I think your response was bad form.
> > >
> > >      I am instructing my lawyers to file the first patent infringement
> > >      lawsuit against CNM.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Let’s see how much of a bad publicity stunt this is.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Dennis Meharchand
> > >
> > >      CEO, Valt.X Technologies Inc.
> > >
> > >      Cell: 416-618-4622<tel:416-618-4622>
> > >
> > >      Email: dennis () valtx com<mailto:dennis () valtx com>
> > >
> > >      Web: www.valtx.com<http://www.valtx.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      *From:* The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv
> > >      [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> > >      <mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>] *On Behalf Of *SCHALIP,
> > >      MICHAEL
> > >      *Sent:* December 7, 2011 9:34 AM
> > >      *To:* SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> > >      <mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>
> > >      *Subject:* [Possible Spam] Re: [SECURITY] Deepfreeze on vm's?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Bad form…..scare tactics…..bad publicity stunt…..how do we get the
> > >      Educause moderator involved??
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      *From:* The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv
> > >      [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> > >      <mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Walter Moore
> > >      *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2011 6:54 AM
> > >      *To:* SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> > >      <mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>
> > >      *Subject:* Re: [SECURITY] Deepfreeze on vm's?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      You had it right in your first paragraph. Whatever the merits of
> > >      your patent case (and you will have to forgive my skepticism) you
> > >      have no business interjecting it into this discussion.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Dennis Meharchand
> > >      <dennis () valtx com<mailto:dennis () valtx com>>  wrote:
> > >
> > >      This is likely one of those situations where I should just
> > >      continue to shut my mouth until we are already to act but here goes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      My company Valt.X Technologies owns the patents in this area and
> > >      we intend to enforce our patents in 2012.
> > >
> > >      Here’s my advice – if you are using Deep Freeze or any VDI -
> > >      include in your contract that they cover you for Patent Infringement.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Valt.X has just won its first public tender in Canada – we own
> > >      this area and intend to enforce our intellectual property rights.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Our position is that Deep Freeze is a blatant copy of Valt.X
> > >      issued patents and that VDI also infringes our patents – we intend
> > >      to sue all infringers.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Dennis Meharchand
> > >
> > >      CEO, Valt.X Technologies Inc.
> > >
> > >      Cell: 416-618-4622<tel:416-618-4622>
> > >
> > >      Email: dennis () valtx com<mailto:dennis () valtx com>
> > >
> > >      Web: www.valtx.com<http://www.valtx.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      *From:* The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv
> > >      [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> > >      <mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Brandon Payne
> > >      *Sent:* December 6, 2011 6:01 PM
> > >      *To:* SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
> > >      <mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>
> > >      *Subject:* [SECURITY] Deepfreeze on vm's?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      We are looking into VDI for all our computer labs. VMware View to
> > >      be exact with WYSE P20 Zero Clients. Roughly about 300 or more
> > >      vm's for all the labs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      From a virtual standpoint - do you see the need for Faronics
> > >      Deepfreeze on all computer lab vm's? Currently we are using
> > >      Deepfreeze on our desktops in all labs and has worked out great.
> > >      For this situation, I'm not interested in the security
> > >      implications of why Deepfreeze is bad, just if its recommended in
> > >      a virtual environment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      What are you doing in situations if a user profile gets hosed up
> > >      with malware in this vm enviroment?
> > >
> > >
> > >      --
> > >      Brandon Payne
> > >      Technical Support Specialist
> > >      Information Services
> > >      Sauk Valley Community College
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      --
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> > >
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> > >
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