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Re: APT
From: Wim Remes <wremes () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 17:55:51 +0000
Lieutenant-General Van Riper agrees : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 "[The Red Force, led by Van Riper] adopted an asymmetric<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare> strategy, in particular, using old methods to evade Blue's sophisticated electronic surveillance <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance> network. Van Riper used motorcycle <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle>messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World War II light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications." Cheers, Wim PS : hat tip to @indi303 for reminding me of that Millenium Challenge. On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Dave Aitel <dave () immunityinc com> wrote:
So the thing about being advanced enough is that you don't really have to be persistent in any normal sense of the word. Nobody has pointed out how the first stage of the NSA shellcode (as leaked by "backgrounded by the Constitution and definitely not at all a narcissist" Snowden) just avoids executing anything on systems protected by HIPS. Imagine if you were so good at your job you could ignore targets you already had execution on if you felt even a *little bit* queasy about their defense. Look, Richard Beitlitch thinks I don't know anything about "Strategy"<http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-limits-of-tool-and-tactics-centric.html>. This may be true! But on the other hand, sometimes just outshooting your opponent <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G02FiZNbZHY> everywhere you engage them is a pretty decent strategy. And that comes down to "Tools, Tactics and Procedures" on the ground. Speaking of which - INNUENDO is going to be 1.0 Beta today because I can't find any more bugs in it. :> -dave _______________________________________________ Dailydave mailing list Dailydave () lists immunityinc com https://lists.immunityinc.com/mailman/listinfo/dailydave
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