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Defeating what's next
From: Dave Aitel <dave () immunityinc com>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:10:05 -0400
Hackers spend a lot of time looking at what's coming down the technology road at them. In a sense, this business is about learning how to stare down the barrel of a gun and not blinking for decades at a time. When you blink, you end up a CISSP. Richer financially, but poorer in 0days, the only currency that matters to someone with your particular addiction. Terminology can reveal a lot, as can business strategies. I spent some time on the phone yesterday with a high level executive in the incident response industry, and he poo-pooed Immunity's offensive skills, which made me focus on the industry for a while while watching Covert Affairs after the kids went to bed. First of all, here's what's next in the incident response world: "Indicators of Compromise". And when people say that, they right now mean MD5s, file names, registry addresses, dns addresses, what addresses a trojan hooks, and that sort of thing. All of these things can be changed AT RUN TIME, by your better trojans. In other words, we have an industry focused highly on "indicators of compromise", whereas modern high-level attackers have leapfrogged the entire concept. The only true indicator of compromise is "computer is doing something I probably didn't want it to do", and that's not something you can codify in XML. Something to think about. :> -dave
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