Re: With great responsibility comes great power.

[mOses <trklisted () networksamurai org>]

The question is weather that is as scary as this:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/06/04/3_plead_guilty_in_tech_export_case/

Chi Mak who in 2005 was arrested for espionage. He was allegedly sending
documents from his job as a defense contractor over to china. The CD's
that where found contained propulsion systems for a new submarine and
lot more juicy things you can imagine.

I wonder how much far forward the Chinese got because of this person and
people like him.....


Dave Aitel wrote:
> Right now we're in the midst of some sort of weird publicity push from
> the US Military regarding cyberwar, which started before the Estonians
> got DDoSed last week. Most of the articles point out how China is
> beefing up their forces with frankly inane titles such as "China
> Cyberware Alert!":
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/internet/06/13/china.cyberspace.reut/index.html
> http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003548.html
> There's a NYT article today too, but they make it impossible to link
> to them.
>
> In March, Stratfor had an article about it as well:
> http://www.stratfor.com/products/premium/read_article.php?id=286304
> They concluded:
> """
> Ultimately, much about cyberwarfare efforts will remain classified.
> Cartwright's comments are more illustrative of a military that is
> accustomed to dominating the battle space preparing for a new
> offensive in cyberspace. STRATCOM's staff judge advocate -- the
> command's legal representative -- likely has advised Cartwright that
> his efforts to bring offensive cyberwarfare measures to bear have
> reached the point at which they require congressional oversight and
> approval -- the only real motivation for Cartwright to share his
> command's efforts with the public.
> """
>
> If you listen to John Arquilla, of the Naval Postgraduate school, he
> also mentions China first as the leading integrator of cyberwarfare
> into their overall strategy [1]. Oddly he believes there's only a few
> dozen master hackers in the world, a number I think is far too small,
> but perhaps we have different definitions or just a different circle
> of friends. His estimate is that half of the master hackers are
> American, a number I would say is irrelevant. You can't judge the
> length of a sword by the sharpness of the point.
>
> My opinion is that any cyberwar waged against the United States would
> be one-sided. As Admiral Yamamoto learned the hard way[2], one of the
> US Military's defining characteristics is extensive propaganda efforts
> to get the opponent to underestimate them. But as a somewhat useful
> metric, you can fit the attendees of all the non-US information
> security conferences each month into any one US conference.
>
> -dave
>
> [1] http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/podcast.aspx?id=30 - I started
> listening to this sure he would be full of it, but it's really quite
> good.
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto%27s_sleeping_giant_quote
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto%27s_sleeping_giant_quote>
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