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Re: "The organization I belong to doesn't have initals"(that evil dude in Heroes)


From: Dave Aitel <dave () immunityinc com>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:07:34 -0500

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dan () geer org wrote:
 | I think the real point here is that the majority of people responsible
 | for security have a backwards mindset.  Most security practitioners
 | still don't make the assumption that everything is vulnerable and
 | design around it.  Of course IIS is vulnerable to an unpublished 0day.


so, should one write apps with the assumption that
will be running on compromised hosts?

--dan

Which is exactly what a full Palladium install is. The hardware
separates processes from the OS in such a way that although the OS can
manage your process, it can't read your GPG secret key. The wacky
thing is, not only can you authenticate a process this way, but the
hypervisor can authenticate over the network too, which means you can
authenticate to www.buycrappymusic.com that you are running a
completely unmodified audio player which is spitting encrypted sound
all the way to the speakers.

So there's both good and bad here. GOOD: Attacker with SYSTEM can't
get my GPG key or read my email. BAD: RIAA owns me. GOOD: Thieves
can't get my credit card off my laptop. BAD: I can't do forensics on
the laptop because thief has encrypted his process memory. :>

- -dave

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