Re: Value of EC-CEH

[NeZa <danuxx () gmail com>]

Hi Vinoxious,

I was hired by Indian Company based here in USA, you know why?

Because of security certifications, even certs are not going to help
you to become a hacker or really skilled person they give confidence
to Clients/Business.

In my personal opinion, the most respected security certification in
the world is CISSP, and i am not talking about if it is the best one
or not, it is the one Companies ask for.

So, Just give to Companies what they are looking for.

Hope this can help you.

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:35 PM, J. Oquendo <sil () infiltrated net> wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Sep 2008, Ryan Greenier wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 02:41, Vin Oxious <vinoxious () gmail com> wrote:
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > >
> > >                       Greetings !! .. While I have completed EC-CEH
> > > long back in year 2007.. I am finding it difficult to get break in the
> > > market . Current location is India ..
>
> Your question should be, which route should I take? The C|EH, OSCP, GPEN
> track is geared for penetration testing, CISA, CISSP, CISM is managerial,
> CCNA|P|SP|DA|DP are Cisco oriented and unless you work primarily in a
> Cisco environment mean little.
>
> Vendor specific certs are mainly worth having if you envision being stuck
> in those environments. During the late 90's early 2k's everyone was on
> an MCS(something) track which polluted the market with people reading
> books and never having clues hence the "Must Consult Someone Experienced"
> jokes attributed to the MCSE.
>
> You state the C|EH means little in your country, but if you searched
> say Dice.com, Monster.com you would see ads with these certs mentioned.
> So ask yourself, what's "in", in my country and focus on that however
> if you're certing up for the sake of having paper and not learning
> anything, why not go after anything and everything and become like
> hundreds of others with dozens of certs and -12's of clues.
>
> I took the OSCP exam and it was fun, more then I expected it to be
> quite frankly, I took it because I wanted to, not because I wanted
> to ride a cert to more money. I made more money without certs very
> long ago and am now taking certs because I have nothing better to do
> getting older.
>
> Currently I have the CISM targeted for December but have no intentions
> on managing anything - I don't do politics well. I have the CHFI and
> contemplate Encase certification, but don't want to do forensics. I
> study to learn, for the sake of understanding for my own sake/sanity.
> CCNA?P... I've studied CCIE material since the late 90's and have no
> intention of taking the CCIE. You have to ask yourself, not any list
> not any person... "What do I want to do..." Then learn from there on
> up, a certification is nothing more than a piece of paper and quite
> often it tells little of someone's true skills.
>
> Considering Cisco had to implement fingerprinting for new test takers
> since people were cheating, having others take tests for them, anyone
> on this list or any other who believes a cert is a tell-tale sign of
> "experience" is a fool. I know some insanely smart people who could
> care less about any cert. I also know factually of many-a-people who
> obtained certs under cloudy circumstances. ... Learn technology to
> learn it, understand it, practice it, preach it. After so much time
> in any industry, you will eventually learn enough to understand things
> to a point that during any interview you go to, a cert will mean
> nothing.
>
>
>
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> J. Oquendo
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> CEH/CNDA, CHFI, OSCP
>
> "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
> forms (of government) those entrusted with power
> have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
> it into tyranny." Thomas Jefferson
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