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Re: Wiping a drive: /dev/zero or /dev/urandom better?


From: "Craig Wright" <craig.steven.wright () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:21:06 +1100

The simple answer is that it does not matter. A single wipe (done
correctly) will make it infeasible for ANYONE (even governments) to
recover information.

If you go to the page:
http://seclab.cs.sunysb.edu/iciss08/program.html

There is a paper being presented:
"Overwriting Hard Drive Data: The Great Wiping Controversy"
Craig Wright, Dave Kleiman and Shyaam Sundhar R.S..

The paper details this issue. A few people have seen it already. It
will be available (published) in Dec in the Springer Verglag LNCS
series. We hope that this paper will finally put some of the silly
myths to rest.

Regards,
Craig Wright GSE-Malware, GSE-Compliance

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JW wrote:
I've got a theoretical question: when wiping a drive (I'm talking about Linux
here), which of the following is more: fill the drive with data
from /dev/zero or /dev/urandom?

I ask because I often see people suggest something like the following for
wiping disks:

cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda

(and of course do it multiple times)

I got to thinking that (if you are really paranoid) it would probably be
easier for "the bad guy" to recover original data if you use /dev/zero
because it's so uniform, the "bad guy" can just look for anything other then
zeros - if it's not zero, it's data.

Which would imply that overwriting the data with /dev/urandom or /dev/random
would be more secure.

But I don't know enough about the internals of hard drives to know if it
really matters or not.

For clarity I'll point out that I'm not talking about wiping files in the
filesystem, I'm talking about wiping whole disks - I guess you'd say "at the
block level".

What do the resident experts here think?

      JW





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