RE: Firewalls and PCI

["Craig Wright" <Craig.Wright () bdo com au>]

Even "if" IPSec is running, I have seen it running in AH only. Yes this is faster, but if confidentiality is the goal, 
then having a signed packet that I can read in a sniffer is not the answer.

So yes testing and validation is essential.

Regards,
Dr Craig Wright (GSE-Compliance)



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-----Original Message-----

From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Jon R. Kibler
Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2008 5:31 AM
To: Brian Johnson
Cc: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Firewalls and PCI

Brian Johnson wrote:
> How does a lack of DHCP let you KNOW who is on your network?  Absent
> DHCP all an attacker with zero knowledge of the network configuration
> needs to do is sniff the ARP and other broadcast traffic to determine
> the addressing of the network and find themselves an open address or
> takeover a used address.  Now if you have 802.1x or use IPSEC to limit
> communications that is another story entirely and can still function
> with DHCP.
>
> A number of clients I visit say that lack of DHCP is a security
> measure.  If they push back on my claim it would only slow an attacker
> down I demonstrate just how easy it is to find an open address, I end
> up able to talk to their network inside of 5 minutes.

I agree completely that a lack of DHCP does not mean security. However,
anything DHCP I automatically presume is untrustworthy. With static IPs,
I lock down switches, associating a MAC with a port or use 802.1x.

Since you mentioned it, a comment about IPSec: You not believe the number
of sites that think they have IPSec enabled, but don't really. They take
the average windows defaults in IPSec setup (no AH, no ESP) and think
they now have IPSec security. Like everything else, unless configured
correctly, and TESTED, IPSec is not going to provide any additional
security. When a site enables IPSec, you would think they would at least
sniff the network to see if the traffic is REALLY encrypted, but I have
yet to see any site have actually tested their IPSec configuration.

Jon
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Jon R. Kibler
Chief Technical Officer
Advanced Systems Engineering Technology, Inc.
Charleston, SC  USA
(843) 849-8214





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