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RE: Interview Questions
From: "BARRETT,WILL" <BARRETW () airproducts com>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:04:14 +0800
To avoid misunderstanding, let me clarify slightly as to what I was trying to say. I was replying to the post that said that one should go to Test King to compile questions. Why on earth would you want to do this? You KNOW they can pass test questions. What you want is to know if they can pass the real world. Having been on both sides of this situation I understand the need to qualify the person you are hiring. What I disagree with is using questions from practice exams to do it. As an interviewer it has absolutely no use to me, since if they have already passed the exam the question comes from and will in all likelihood be able to answer the question from rote memory, if nothing else, without understanding the reasoning as to WHY the answer is correct. Obviously you have this same problem. As an interviewee, asking me these test questions says one thing loud and clear and that is, "As an organization we have no idea what we are looking for so we are going to hire the cheapest person we can get that can pass the same exam twice." In my opinion, using real-world scenarios to create questions to test a individuals true knowledge will get you farther than asking a series of test questions. This will allow you to easily tell the difference between the guy who knows his stuff, certified or not, and the "paper" applicant. -WTB -----Original Message----- From: Keith T. Morgan [mailto:keith.morgan () terradon com] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:01 AM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Interview Questions <rant> I personally could care less if a candidate is "insulted" by having to demonstrate understanding of specific technology in an interview. If he has "checkpoint firewalls" on a resume, I expect him to be able to provide me some details about checkpoint firewalls. If he has "extensive cisco experience" on his resume, you can bet I'm going to be asking him to write me a quick ingress/egress ACL during the interview process. We get yahoos that come in the door boasting so many certifications it'll make an HR director have an orgasm. Then where the rubber hits the highway, we find those certifications don't mean a thing. Lots of certified people out there are very good at taking certification tests. To prove this point, about six months ago I had five MCSEs and two CCNAs walk into my office boasting extensive networking experience. None of them could subnet a network. Out of twenty candidates I interviewed for the position, all of which boasted networking experience, exactly two understood subnetting and could convert a CIDR block to a network mask. Neither of those had any certifications at all. One was an experienced network engineer, the other was a guy fresh out of college who had spent his time running the school's networks while his buddies were out partying. This has been a hot button issue with me. I've had my time wasted by so many candidates that the first thing I do after interview introductions is start grilling them on specific technologies they've listed on their resumes. This sorts out the people who have greatly exaggerated their experience level with various technologies and systems. It's that exaggeration of skill and experience that drives me nuts. I don't care if candidates don't have a decade of experience with some technology we use here. But if you don't have the experience, don't put it on your resume. At least not on a resume you're going to send to me. I will call BS and "thank you very much for your time" and send you on your way. </rant> Now back to the subject at hand. What I've found works, is a compromise between very specific technical questions, and then more general questions such as the one mentioned by another poster. I hit 'em with a tech quiz, then follow it up with the "we're planning on deploying ....... and security is a huge concern with this project, as such what suggestions would you have for ...... and how would you approach ......" But that comes after I determine if their resume is full of lies and exaggerations. We've had great hiring success with this mixed approach.
-----Original Message----- From: BARRETT,WILL [mailto:BARRETW () airproducts com] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 5:15 AM To: revnic () gmail com; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Interview Questions If you are going to do that why bother? Chances are pretty good that the person you are interviewing has already passed certification so
why
ask them again? Personally I find this kind of interview insulting
and
it definitely indicates that the company either doesn't know about security, or more likely doesn't care enough about it to make it worth
my while to work there. Bad interview techniques = bad hire = bad security.
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- Re: Interview Questions revnic (Aug 22)
- RE: Interview Questions BARRETT,WILL (Aug 23)
- RE: Interview Questions David Gillett (Aug 24)
- RE: Interview Questions BARRETT,WILL (Aug 23)
- RE: Interview Questions Camiel, Jeffrey (Aug 24)
- RE: Interview Questions tony . dimichele (Aug 24)
- RE: Interview Questions Keith T. Morgan (Aug 24)
- RE: Interview Questions Randy Johnson (Aug 25)
- RE: Interview Questions Mark Brunner (Aug 25)
- Audit Windows 2003, IRM (Aug 25)
- Re: Audit Windows 2003, Dale Neufeld (Aug 28)
- RE: Interview Questions BARRETT,WILL (Aug 25)
- RE: Interview Questions Young, Randy (Aug 25)
- Re: Interview Questions revnic (Aug 22)