Re: 543.rar attachment

["Micro Kluge" <microkluge () hotmail com>]

Security and Functionality are always the knife edge we walk.  Too much of 
one and we get not enough of the other.  Each of our various entities has 
certain needs and we each have to prune our desires and policies to fit 
these realities.  I am priviledged to have the ability to filter just about 
any type of file extensions that I wish to.  This includes stripping .rar, 
.zip and .exe's, along with many others, at the gateway.
I realize this will not work for everyone, but this strategy is just a part 
of my defense-in-depth, and has worked quite well thus far.

Cheers,
Erik


> From: "David J ONEILL" <David.J.Oneill () state or us>
> To: <kinnell.t () gmail com>, 
> <security-basics () securityfocus com>,<kj6loh () yahoo com>
> Subject: Re: 543.rar attachment
> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:50:24 -0800
>
> I hope you were being rhetorical in your questions.  If not, you clearly
> do not have enough experience to be discussing what should and should
> not be allowed via email.
>
> As a state agency, we work with many other organizations (large and
> small), some only have regular email access to work with.
>
> David J O'Neill
> Senior Systems Analyst
> State of Oregon
> Department of Human Services
> Office of Information Services
> PH# 503.378.2101 ext. 280
> email david.j.oneill () state or us
>
> >>> Jonathan Loh <kj6loh () yahoo com> 03/15/05 10:44AM >>>
> Ok let's take it from that standpoint then.  All executables are not
> evil.
>
> All computer users are not evil.  Does this mean we will shut down our
> firewalls and let everybody access our internal networks?
>
> I'm not saying stop all email traffic, far from it, just all archives.
> There
> are many ways of getting archives in.  But oh well to each his own.
> Have you
> heard of ssh/scp/sftp for deployment of programs?  Along with perhaps
> an email
> stating where to get your program and how to install it?
> --- David J ONEILL <David.J.Oneill () state or us> wrote:
>
> > And your point is ....
> >
> > Not all executable files are evil, the source of the file must be
> > considered.  Sometimes, such as client server applications,
> executable
> > files must be deployed with the associated resource files.  And with
> the
> > limitations on attachment sizes placed on commercial email systems,
> one
> > needs all the compression one can get.
> >
> > David J O'Neill
> > Senior Systems Analyst
> > State of Oregon
> > Department of Human Services
> > Office of Information Services
> > PH# 503.378.2101 ext. 280
> > email david.j.oneill () state or us
> >
> > >>> Jonathan Loh <kj6loh () yahoo com> 03/14/05 10:41PM >>>
> > Ok let's have a reality check.
> > Blocking archive files is easy by just writing a simple filter
> looking
> > for
> > various extensions.  Pruning executable files means you will have to
> > use that
> > same filter, open the archive, either extract the whole thing,
> delete
> > the
> > executables, and repackage the whole thing, or delete the
> executables
> > in place.
> >
> > Everyone can split large application files, or can be taught how,
> and
> > send them
> > to be repackaged.  Ever wonder how TCP and UDP work?
> >
> > --- David J ONEILL <David.J.Oneill () state or us> wrote:
> > > Gee, why not just block ALL email communication.  That would save
> > you
> > > some work too.
> > >
> > > Archive files are a necessary part of communication and very
> > beneficial
> > > in saving bandwidth.
> > >
> > > Let's have a reality check ....
> > >
> > > David J O'Neill
> > > Senior Systems Analyst
> > > State of Oregon
> > > Department of Human Services
> > > Office of Information Services
> > > PH# 503.378.2101 ext. 280
> > > email david.j.oneill () state or us
> > >
> > > >>> Jonathan Loh <kj6loh () yahoo com> 03/14/05 02:21PM >>>
> > > Ok that's a solution.  But what I want to ask you is this.  How
> much
> > > overhead
> > > does it take to do this?  Blocking archive files would be an
> easier
> > > method with
> > > little overhead.  Possibly with a reply to sender that your site
> > does
> > > not
> > > accept archive files.
> > > --- Kinnell <kinnell.t () gmail com> wrote:
> > > > On the network I'm a member of we block all exe files sent
> inside
> > > the
> > > > rar or zip, so even if it is sent the file will be 0byted.
> > Wouldn't
> > > > that be a better method?  otherwise if you block all bz2, zip,
> > rar,
> > > > etc... then you will block a lot of useful communication
> > > >
> > > > -Kinnell
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:49:16 -0500, adisegna () siscocorp com
> > > > <adisegna () siscocorp com> wrote:
> > > > > Sean, I have to disagree with you. Any file that that can
> > > encapsulate an
> > > > > executable file should be blocked (IMO). ZIP files are one of
> > the
> > > > > biggest carriers of malicious content these days. I don't make
> > it
> > > a
> > > > > habbit of trusting my users no matter how many times they get
> > > trained.
> > > > > RAR extraction tools are not part of the software image policy
> > on
> > > my
> > > > > network so users are oblivious to the file blocking. What is
> > your
> > > > > solution?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > AD
> > > > > Information Technology Group
> > > > > Security Identification Systems Corporation
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Sean Crawford [mailto:sean01 () accnet com au]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:39 PM
> > > > > To: security-basics () securityfocus com
> > > > > Subject: RE: 543.rar attachment
> > > > >
> > > > > ---> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > ---> From: adisegna () siscocorp com
> [mailto:adisegna () siscocorp com]
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---> Subject: RE: 543.rar attachment
> > > > >
> > > > > ---> I just recently got the same executable inside .rar. I
> > > extracted
> > > > > the
> > > > > ---> dddd.exe and ran a scan on it. Norton Corporate 9.01
> didn't
> > > find
> > > > > ---> anything (as of 4 days ago). I wasn't about to double
> click
> > > this
> > > > > exe on
> > > > > ---> my corporate network. Block the rar extension on your
> mail
> > > server.
> > > > > --->
> > > > >
> > > > > rar is a valid compression format...blocking it isn't a very
> > good
> > > > > solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2 cents.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sean
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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