Re: Firewall configuration statistics

[Justin Pryzby <justinpryzby () users sf net>]

Well, seeing as I just received duplicates of last months mail, I guess
I may as well respond.

My intent in giving SKP two opposite and conflicting statistics is to
reveal the meaningless nature of the question.  Whether marketing
material says 2% of firewalls are misconfigured or 98% are doesn't
matter.

It is a matter of opinion, and I have given SKP my own meaningless
authority to state whatever he wants.  I hope I have also given him the
motivation to realize that what he wants is an arbitrary number to feed
to people; I want him to get neither satisfaction nor sales from
publishing whatever number he decides to use.

Justin

On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 04:48:02PM +0000, security () rexwire com wrote:
> Thank you Greg. I totally agree. If people would just answer questions based
> on real life experience and knowledge and leave the philosophy to the
> politicians I think everyone in this group will be happy.
>
>
> -SKP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NC Agent [mailto:NC_Agent () kueppers-familie de]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:01 PM
> To: security () rexwire com; justinpryzby () users sourceforge net
> Cc: security-basics () securityfocus com
> Subject: RE: Firewall configuration statistics
>
>
> What you received is the reason why I will not post a serious question
> to the list. The list has fallen into one of opinion not fact. So folks,
> as SKP gets more and more frustrated, and stops using the list for
> serious business, maybe it has become time for us to get back to
> business. Just my .005 worth.
>
> Greg Kane
> SAIC
> Senior Systems Security Engineer
> CTSF-IA
> Fort Hood, TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: security () rexwire com [mailto:security () rexwire com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:16 PM
> To: justinpryzby () users sourceforge net
> Cc: security-basics () securityfocus com
> Subject: RE: Firewall configuration statistics
>
> That makes absolutely no sense. Plus I am not looking for a
> philosophical
> answer. I was looking statistics for marketing. Does anyone know of a
> good
> reference site for firewall and other security statistics.
>
> SKP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Pryzby [mailto:justinpryzby () users sourceforge net]
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:18 PM
> To: security () rexwire com
> Cc: security-basics () securityfocus com
> Subject: Re: Firewall configuration statistics
>
>
> Security,
>
> 100% of firewalls are misconfigured. I guarantee that no firewall
> administrator has considered all of the posibilities that are out there.
> Moreover, there are guaranteed bugs in the firewalling software itself.
>
> No firewalls are misconfigured. Computers do what they are told, and
> the occasion cosmic ray bitflip is insignificant compared to human
> error. FW admins who use broken software or write bad FW policies
> deserve to suffer the consequences.
>
> Take your pick. As a user, I think all firewalls suck because at best
> they are another layer for things to get f()'d up, and at worst they
> prevent me from doing stuff. As an admin, I know of no more problems in
> my current firewall configuration (-j DENY), but let me check.
>
> Unless you elaborate on whichever number you quote, it is meaningless.
> Anyone who has ever deal with a firewall will know that. You will,
> however, impress 99% of everone with a cool word like ''firewall''.
>
> Justin
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 12:42:26AM +0000, security () rexwire com wrote:
> > I remember once reading that X amount of firewall's are misconfigured.
> Does
> > anyone know where I can get this statistic from? We are making some
> new
> > marketing material and I would like to include this stat in it. A
> quotable
> > source would be great.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > SKP
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