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RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole
From: "Michael Krzeszkowski" <michaelk () infosecsolutions com au>
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:19:24 +1000
Folks, Knowledge is one thing whilst experience is another. What peeves me off is the body of so called professionals who believe they know everything. I have seen all this before over the past 30 years. It is a combination of knowledge, experience and diplomacy which succeeds in this industry. Certification is necessary as is experience. Certification at least indicates a certain level of capability, knowledge and education (or training). Experience does not necessarily indicate continued education in the field as information security changes on a daily basis. What I say to all the so called "nay sayers" of certification is "get a life and get over it". Michael -----Original Message----- From: Lyal Collins [mailto:lyal.collins () key2it com au] Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2005 8:17 PM To: webappsec () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole I apologise if I upset some people. I occasionally forget that having knowledge to pass an exam doesn't always equate to having the skills and self initiative to use that knowledge effectively to protect systems, applications, infrastucture and data. Lyal -----Original Message----- From: Harley David [mailto:David.Harley () cfh nhs uk] Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2005 1:23 AM To: webappsec () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole
I disagree regarding CISSP and some other certification processes. The "knowledge measurement" process in this case is based upon knowing certain terminology and the related definition inside and out as used
by the
individuals in the certifying body.
Of course it is. My point is that this applies as a generality, not specifically to CISSP or MCSE or whatever. You have to make assumptions about 'right' and 'wrong' content to mark an exam, and that includes assumptions about terminology and definitions. Obviously, different organizations can use variant terminology. Indeed, different people teaching the same knowledge base may do the same thing wherever there's scope for divergence. -- David Harley NHS Infrastructure Security Manager Threat Assessment Centre Manager Malware and Email Abuse Management Specialist NHS Connecting for Health This e-mail is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies; please do not disclose, copy or distribute information in this e-mail or take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. Thank you for your co-operation.
Current thread:
- Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Saqib Ali (Oct 02)
- Re: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Garth Somerville (Oct 04)
- Re: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Saqib Ali (Oct 05)
- RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Lyal Collins (Oct 05)
- Re: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Saqib Ali (Oct 05)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Harley David (Oct 10)
- RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Lyal Collins (Oct 10)
- RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Harley David (Oct 11)
- RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Lyal Collins (Oct 11)
- RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Michael Krzeszkowski (Oct 11)
- RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Lyal Collins (Oct 11)
- Re: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole danew123 (Oct 11)
- Re: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Eoin Keary (Oct 11)
- Re: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole dreamwvr (Oct 11)
- Re: Re: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole f_kenisky (Oct 11)
- Re: RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole f_kenisky (Oct 11)
- RE: RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Craig Wright (Oct 12)
- RE: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole PPowenski (Oct 12)
- Re: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole intel96 (Oct 12)
- Re: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Saqib Ali (Oct 12)
- Re: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole intel96 (Oct 12)
- Re: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole intel96 (Oct 12)
- Re: Notes from CISSP class with Dr. Eric Cole Garth Somerville (Oct 04)