re: Civil Disobedience

["Sould3mon" <Sould3mon () killall net>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sould3mon" <Sould3mon () killall net>
To: "br0ken halo" <x_burning () hotmail com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Civil Disobedience


> what if there were never hackers and all bug's exploits woulnd have been
> "found" or just later on  it would mean the internet would be still so
> unsafe now programers are watching their backs and test their stuff better
> so it's harder to exploit if hackers wern't here a 13 year old could hack
> somthing important  bank  gov and stuff like that  and believe or not most
> hackers are  admin's  or security people  not that they hack other pc's
but
> there is no better vieuw of your own network  trough a hackers eye's if
you
> how to hack it you know to secure it  (own network ) and you would know
wich
> information is special vurnable so the true hackers are good  other
hackers
> wich breakin other peoples network are maybe not doing it the right way
but
> it is the only way that a admin will believe  his network is vurnable
like
> would you admins listen to a email from like 15 year old that say's your
> network is vurnable  probably most wont take them serrious  lets say i
would
> call email a brand of a program and say i found a bug  you can bet on it
it
> wont be fixed in the week or month's   but  if  theire is a exploit  or
many
> networks get hacked   voila  and a patch is their in 2 weeks or faster i
> think if admins or network security listen to people no matter what their
> age is  there would  be so much hacking as is today  most hackers do not
> even try to email the person anymore
> ** example**  i heard about the iss  bug  and i knew my school had iss  so
i
> warned them   even 2 month's (update was already out )  later you could
> acces the  system trough the bug so just ignored my warning so what i did
> was just in the main dir  c:\  making lots of difrent dirs  with the name
> you are vurnable in difrent way's ofcourse i think it were about 10   but
> now they listen cuz the fact was there some1 was in the system making
those
> dirs they finaly patched it  (though i honest said i was the person that
> made the dirs ) admin din't mind he said i had  to listen to you the first
> time *** i know the lots of admins here do update's and stuff cuz there
> notified of the bugs and exploites but alot don't and there to proud to
> listen to a teenager saying he is vurnable i am not saying hacking is good
> but i do say without it   we would be alot unsafer