Re: open source vs. GPL

[Martin Roesch <roesch () sourcefire com>]

I (and Sourcefire) wouldn't be writing hundreds of thousands of lines
of code just for a licensing exercise, we could easily scrub Snort's
existing code base of contributed code if we wanted to and save
ourselves the time and effort.  To get Snort where I want it to go as
a technology requires a rewrite and there are engineering reasons for
doing so.

I think my response regarding spo_database was sufficient related to
the latency of the module and its impact on packet processing.

On the licensing I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Marty

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses () mac com> wrote:
> It's classic foolery with the use of the words "open source".
> Snort today is a product that you can fork, and go sell if you like as long
> as you adhere to the GPL license.
> Snort tomorrow (version 3) is not going to allow you to fork and go sell
> should you wish, because Sourcefire is changing it's licensing, which
> arguably they actually can't do with the current GPL'd snort. Thus the
> reason why Marty has stated that they have developed version 3 will 100%
> non-contributed code. Which is an amazing task, that I would love to have
> seen.
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Christopher Jacob wrote:
>
> Did I miss a memo? When was it announced that Snort 3 would not be open
> source?
> ~chris
>
> ...sent from the road...
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses () mac com> wrote:
>
>
> Snort is open source, until version 3. But that is a whole other argument.
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Joel Esler wrote:
>
> No one is taking a vote, we just said, "if we had a vote in it..."  I'd
> rather take the code out of the IDS/IPS and put it into an output module.
>  One that is maintained well (as Shawn said).
> Snort is an open source program, I don't see harm in discussion on Snort's
> own mailing lists do you?
> J
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses () mac com> wrote:
> > Is Sourcefire limited on development skill or man power?
> >
> > It makes no sense at all to remove one of the most common facilities
> > in use by snort users because it is "too complex".
> >
> > In the end, you'll do what you are going to do regardless of the
> > community -- we've seen it before. But don't use "complexity" and
> > "bugs" as the excuse.
> >
> > Sourcefire is a publicly traded company -- Is it smart to be taking
> > votes on product development from a mailing list? I wouldn't think so.
> >
> > Loyal.
> >
> > On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Jason Brvenik wrote:
> >
> > > I have an ulterior motive and it is simple.
> > >
> > > Many of the bugs and issues over time with snort have been in output
> > > plugins. Make one well supported, tested, unified method designed for
> > > best performance and while doing so it improves the supportability and
> > > maintainability of the code base.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses () mac com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > My vote is to provide as many output options as possible, to help
> > > > keep
> > > > snort used as a tool.
> > > >
> > > > The argument of code complexity being a good reason to remove output
> > > > facilities is only valid if the code is written poorly and not
> > > > modular. This wheel doesn't need re-invented and this conversation is
> > > > kind of silly, unless there is ulterior motives for actually wanting
> > > > to remove this support.
> > > >
> > > > Loyal.
> > > >
> > > >
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