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FC: Y2K buffs won't leave it alone -- blame outages on Y2K


From: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:14:35 -0500

This week's denial-of-service attacks have become the latest events to be blamed on -- you guessed it -- Y2K glitches.

Paula Gordon, a visiting professor at George Washington University with a background in public administration, is circulating theories about Y2K glitches in Cisco routers that would put Pierre Salinger to shame.

(In a pleasantly conspiratorial 1999 article on Y2K at http://www.gwu.edu/~y2k/keypeople/gordon/oped_pieces.html, Gordon tells us that Clinton was afraid of revealing Y2K's impact because the truth "would trigger an immediate downturn in financial markets, something that could have major ramifications, including profound political repercussions. Indeed, his legacy could be shattered beyond repair.")

One of the perpetual problems of being a conspiracy theorist is finding new fodder for your conspiracies. Fortunately, we can blame the routers!

-Declan


Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:52:43 -0500
To: (Recipient list suppressed)
From: "P. Gordon" <pgordon () erols com>
Subject: FORWARDED THREAD: Denial of service "attacks" OR Corrupted
  Century Date Change-related algorithm problem?


The following thread concerning denial of service "attacks" on the Internet
is for your interest and information.

An alternative to the "hacker" theory is offered in the "answer" section of
the thread.  If this theory is correct, then the culprit is not hackers.
If hackers are not responsible for the problem, then the remedies and
protective measures that are now being applied will not address the root
causes of the problem.

Paula Gordon
2/10/2000



FORWARDED THREAD FROM TIME BOMB 2000 DISCUSSION FORUM  (with spelling edits)

Buy.Com, eBay, Amazon, CNN Hacked
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002Wbr
greenspun.com: LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread


     Here's the link:

     Buy.Com, eBay, Amazon, CNN Hacked

     Ray

     -- Ray (ray () totacc com), February 09, 2000

Answers

     I am beginning to suspect that the date-time stamp embedded in packets
within the MAC layer of the tcp/ip stack have gone to negative numbers as a
result of the CDC (century date change) and some of the routers and switches
are having serious problems in reconciling packet reconstruction.
     This means that the recieving end routers of the tcpip stream (i.e. the
'hacked' sites) are not able to reconstruct the packet stream sufficiently
enough to avoid triggering an error condition. This is predictable anomalous
behavior (and may have been noted on the Cisco site field notations) if the
date-time stamp algorithm were to
deal with a year of '00'. This problem will also trigger security alarms and
could be easily mistaken for an attack of the *denial of service* kind.
Persons on site could use a packet sniffer to retrieve MAC layer address
headers and determine if the most significant bit of the date-time stamp was
- 1  [minus 1].

     If I am correct, then no hackers will take credit for what will become
a daily increasing amount of 'hack' attacks.
     At some point it would be expected to level off at a near critical
level for the internet. I would expect that this point would be reached when
24% of routers are involved. Note that this is a wild ass guess as there are
many  kinds of equipment and expected reponses within the class of routers.
Some could be expected to just ignore the negative number. These, though,
should exhibit garbaged messages as they could be expected to be reassembled
in properly.

     Also should note that many cell phone tower packet handlers use the
same algorithm.

     -- pliney the younger (pliney () puget sound rain.light.chilly), February
09, 2000.

____________________________________________________________________________
______

     Very insightful post pliney, thanks. Given the scope of the alleged big
hack attacks, I think skepticism about the corporate line on this rapidly
emerging problem is wise. Cisco (one of the most important internet
infrastructure companies) has posted Field notices reporting a variety of
problems since rollover including an apparently minor February 29 date
stamping problem with their Optical Product Software. There's a list of post
CDC field notices on this thread :

     http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002WEk

     -- Carl Jenkins (Somewherepress () aol com), February 09, 2000.
____________________________________________________________________________
______

(end of forwarded thread)

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