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Re: PCI Compliance Scope
From: Eric Milam <emilam () coretechsg com>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:42:35 -0800
Basically the fear are base camps from which to launch an attack. As Erin stated below, if there are measures in place (not just vlans) to prevent access from the log machine to the Card Holder data environment then it may be that the device will be out of scope.
You may want to research "compensating controls" and log servers. You may find some creative ways others were able to ensure their log servers were out of scope.
I hope that helps a little. Eric Erin Carroll wrote:
It's been a bit since I was forced to do PCI on a daily basis so someone will come along and correct me if I'm wrong.... If the logs contain no PII/cardholder data and the logs are pushed to the central log storage device (not pulled from device) then the log server is not in scope. If the logs do contain PII/cardholder data then the log device is in scope but does not make the 300+ other devices which log to the device in scope.-- Erin Carroll Moderator, SecurityFocus pen-test mailing list "Do Not Taunt Happy-Fun Ball"-----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Danux Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:27 AM To: pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: PCI Compliance Scope Question for PCI experts: During a PCI Audit the Auditor told us that all the Security Devices protecting Cardholder Data are also part of PCI Scope, which makes sense for IDS/IPS, FW, AD, so on but what about a Log Management tool? This means that my Log Management Centralized Server solution which is getting logs not just for PCI assets but for the whole network ... is gonna be in scope? if so? This means all 300 security devices sending the logs (Servers, WStations, Data Bases, AV) to the Centralized server are in scope Too? if so? Then, obviously I need to find a way to isolate & split the Log Management Server from the whole network to only monitor PCI assets but that entails to buy a new costly license to have another Centralized log server, which is not doable for us. Have you ever had the same problem? so that you can share the way to resolve it WITHOUT adding new software/hardware? I think I need to create a kind of PCI Security Devices Zone isolated from the network but not sure if that works for PCI Auditor. Please share your ideas. -- Danux ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - This list is sponsored by: Information Assurance Certification Review Board Prove to peers and potential employers without a doubt that you can actually do a proper penetration test. IACRB CPT and CEPT certs require a full practical examination in order to become certified. http://www.iacertification.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is sponsored by: Information Assurance Certification Review BoardProve to peers and potential employers without a doubt that you can actually do a proper penetration test. IACRB CPT and CEPT certs require a full practical examination in order to become certified.http://www.iacertification.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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- PCI Compliance Scope Danux (Nov 12)
- RE: PCI Compliance Scope Gary Everekyan (Nov 12)
- RE: PCI Compliance Scope Erin Carroll (Nov 12)
- Re: PCI Compliance Scope Eric Milam (Nov 12)
- Re: PCI Compliance Scope Tracy Reed (Nov 12)
- Re: PCI Compliance Scope Eric Milam (Nov 12)
- Re: PCI Compliance Scope Danux (Nov 12)
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- re: PCI Compliance Scope Timothy Shea (Nov 13)
- Re: PCI Compliance Scope Mohamed Farid (Nov 13)
- Re: PCI Compliance Scope Gary E. Miller (Nov 13)
- Re: PCI Compliance Scope rajat swarup (Nov 13)
- Re: PCI Compliance Scope David M. Zendzian (Nov 13)
- RE: PCI Compliance Scope Jason Hurst (Nov 13)
- Re: PCI Compliance Scope Danux (Nov 16)
- Re: PCI Compliance Scope Eric Milam (Nov 12)