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Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on?
From: David Howe <DaveHowe.Pentest () googlemail com>
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:12:31 +0100
Terry Cutler wrote:
Totally agree with you Jon, That's why I like the Linux exams that Novell has called Practicums. The entire exam is based on you VNC'd into 2 or more VMWARE boxes and are presented with a list of tasks to complete. Each task is WEIGHTED, so if you mess up early in the objectives, it can snowball into the rest of the exam and cause you to fail.
I quite liked the practicums, although some of the tasks were unrealistic (Although I would love to see DnsSec adopted, its still a white elephant). The problem there becomes chicken and egg though - if you need practical experience to pass the exam, and you need to be hired and working in the industry to gain practical experience, how does a potential new hire gain sufficient experience to be hired into a job where he could get sufficient experience?
Exams like this are the only way to test real world knowledge. Only downfall is that these exams are quite tough, and it discourages a lot of folks from trying it.
I found the CLP easy, as all the tasks were real-world ones (i.e. one an experienced admin would have done). I found the CLE tasks harder as they involved skills that were rarely if ever used in a real world environment. Moreover, the official novell training courses for CLP/CLE concentrate just on what is going to be tested on - so you don't get a sufficiently wide range of skills (in my opinion of course) and are very suse specific (so you use yast a lot, which isn't a bad thing for speed, but means the skills are less transferable to other distributions) YMMV of course :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This list is sponsored by: Cenzic Top 5 Common Mistakes in Securing Web Applications Get 45 Min Video and PPT Slides www.cenzic.com/landing/securityfocus/hackinar ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Mario Platt (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Jon Kibler (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Terry Cutler (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? David Howe (Oct 06)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Jay D. Dyson (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? brendan (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Jay D. Dyson (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? David Howe (Oct 06)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Jimmy Brokaw (Oct 06)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? brendan (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Jon Kibler (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? John Mason Jr (Oct 06)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Matt - MRS Security (Oct 06)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Dragos Ruiu (Oct 08)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Mario Platt (Oct 05)
- RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? John Babio (Oct 06)