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Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on?
From: Jon Kibler <Jon.Kibler () aset com>
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:50:57 -0400
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jay D. Dyson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Jon Kibler wrote:Yesterday I was reading a blog where someone with no security experience whatsoever was grousing that they flunked the Security+ exam. The blogger also claimed to have over 100 certifications. In my opinion, that many certifications undoubtedly qualifies this blogger to be the Poster Boy for everything that is wrong with the certification process.First off, let's see the URL.
http://certcities.com/editorial/columns/story.asp?EditorialsID=176
Secondly, let's see this list of certifications this blogger claims s/he possesses. Suffice it to say some fact-checking is in order before flying off the handle about the certification process being "broken."
<SNIP!> It was not on the basis of this individual's claims -- true or false may they be -- that I based this commentary. It is based on personal experience dealing with a seemingly endless stream of 'certified' individuals that have zero real world ability. In fact, for the non-hands-on certifications, in my personal experience, I would say that more individuals having these 'book certifications' are incapable of doing 'real work' that those that are good technical workers. Too many people have simply decided that "if I get certified, then that means I am qualified to do the work." Absolutely, completely, and totally wrong in both my opinion and my experience. The process today is completely backwards. For certifications to be meaningful, you must first get the experience, then get the certification that validates your experience. Not the other way around! Jon Kibler - -- Jon R. Kibler Chief Technical Officer Advanced Systems Engineering Technology, Inc. Charleston, SC USA o: 843-849-8214 c: 843-224-2494 s: 843-564-4224 http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonrkibler My PGP Fingerprint is: BAA2 1F2C 5543 5D25 4636 A392 515C 5045 CF39 4253 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjpbuYACgkQUVxQRc85QlOnMACdHkk3fUvvAnvhbKwx98G3BlmI vyAAn2basKj2MudaNKCvLHM0QHAoE6Tk =tZdx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ================================================== Filtered by: TRUSTEM.COM's Email Filtering Service http://www.trustem.com/ No Spam. No Viruses. Just Good Clean Email.
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Current thread:
- Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Jon Kibler (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Mario Platt (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Jon Kibler (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Terry Cutler (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? David Howe (Oct 06)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Jay D. Dyson (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? brendan (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Jay D. Dyson (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? David Howe (Oct 06)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Jimmy Brokaw (Oct 06)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? brendan (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Jon Kibler (Oct 05)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? John Mason Jr (Oct 06)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Matt - MRS Security (Oct 06)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Dragos Ruiu (Oct 08)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Mario Platt (Oct 05)
- RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? John Babio (Oct 06)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? R. DuFresne (Oct 06)
- RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Ray Chow (Oct 06)
- RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? R. DuFresne (Oct 06)
- Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Matt - MRS Security (Oct 07)
- RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Stuart Criddle (Oct 08)
- RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Ray Chow (Oct 06)