Penetration Testing mailing list archives
RE: CISSP-ISSMP
From: "Arley Barros Leal" <arley.leal () sonae com>
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:33:29 +0100
"... So having the cert doesn't make you good, and doesn't prove to anyone that you have experience or skill.." Definitely, and may go further and say the same about college, mba and even about a Master degree. The truth is, employers will probably not overlook certs, and thus if found two candidates with similar profiles but one has some fancy words like MCSE, CEH, CISSP, CSSP, CCIE or whatever on his CV, I bet the jackpot goes to owner of all those acronyms :-) Thus CERTs are an added value for any IT professional and for any employer who looks towards ROI on their human capital. IMHO, if u have the time, the will and the money...go for it... Cheers-- -----Original Message----- From: nat () morgothan com [mailto:nat () morgothan com] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Hirsch Sent: segunda-feira, 8 de Maio de 2006 21:19 To: Mohamed Abdel Kader Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: Re: CISSP-ISSMP I recently got my CISSP. The company that I work for paid for me to go to a class, and take the test assuming I passed. If I failed then the $500 would be on my nickle. Thankfully I did not fail. The main reason they wanted me to get my CISSP is now they can charge more for the work they contract me out to, this and you need it or some other equivalent to do level 3 and 4 DITSCAP testing. As for an ROI after I passed a got a 15% raise which was nice, but I was also up for a raise, so I can not tell you how much that was due to the CISSP, and how much was due to my overall performance at the company. Personally I feel that the exam and certification process is a waste of time, and so does everyone else at the company, but they are needed, or so they say. However we have a guy who works here who is a CISSP and a CEH(certified ethical hacker), and to be truthful, he is quite possible the most worthless tester I have ever had to work with, and everyone else in the office knows this. So having the cert doesn't make you good, and doesn't prove to anyone that you have experience or skill. It just proves that you can pick the correct answer out of a four possible answer on a 250 question multiple choice exam. As for giving an out of 10 scale for everything you mentioned I guess they would all be 5s because it all really depends on a lot of other things. As for what job its good for, I would have to say more managerial then anything else. The topics covered are really only puddle deep, not enough to know whats going on, just enough to know that it is going on though. Nathaniel Hirsch, CISSP Xacta Corporation 656 Shrewsbury Ave. Shrewsbury, NJ 07702 On 5/8/06, Mohamed Abdel Kader <makster12 () hotmail com> wrote:
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone out there did the CISSP-ISSMP concentration. I want to know the value added in the areas listed below, in an out of 10 scale for example: Total ROI Career Advancement Industry Demand Raise Potential Suitable for what job/position (not an out of 10 answer of course :)) I also want to know the material to study from. Thanks a million. MAK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- This List Sponsored by: Cenzic Concerned about Web Application Security? Why not go with the #1 solution - Cenzic, the only one to win the Analyst's Choice Award from eWeek. As attacks through web applications continue to rise, you need to proactively protect your applications from hackers. Cenzic has the most comprehensive solutions to meet your application security penetration testing and vulnerability management needs. You have an option to go with a managed service (Cenzic ClickToSecure) or an enterprise software (Cenzic Hailstorm). Download FREE whitepaper on how a managed service can help you: http://www.cenzic.com/news_events/wpappsec.php And, now for a limited time we can do a FREE audit for you to confirm your results from other product. Contact us at request () cenzic com for
details.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This List Sponsored by: Cenzic Concerned about Web Application Security? Why not go with the #1 solution - Cenzic, the only one to win the Analyst's Choice Award from eWeek. As attacks through web applications continue to rise, you need to proactively protect your applications from hackers. Cenzic has the most comprehensive solutions to meet your application security penetration testing and vulnerability management needs. You have an option to go with a managed service (Cenzic ClickToSecure) or an enterprise software (Cenzic Hailstorm). Download FREE whitepaper on how a managed service can help you: http://www.cenzic.com/news_events/wpappsec.php And, now for a limited time we can do a FREE audit for you to confirm your results from other product. Contact us at request () cenzic com for details. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --
Attachment:
smime.p7s
Description:
Current thread:
- CISSP-ISSMP Mohamed Abdel Kader (May 08)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: CISSP-ISSMP Nathaniel Hirsch (May 08)
- Message not available
- Re: CISSP-ISSMP Nathaniel Hirsch (May 09)
- Message not available
- Re: CISSP-ISSMP intel96 (May 09)
- Re: CISSP-ISSMP Pete Herzog (May 10)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Levenglick, Jeff (May 08)
- Re: CISSP-ISSMP Bob Radvanovsky (May 09)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Angelacci, Anna M CTR SPAWAR, J616 (May 09)
- Re: CISSP-ISSMP Nathaniel Hirsch (May 09)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Williamson, Clyde (May 09)
- Re: CISSP-ISSMP Nathaniel Hirsch (May 09)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Arley Barros Leal (May 09)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Levenglick, Jeff (May 09)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Craig Wright (May 09)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Benson, Sean M (May 10)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Serge Vondandamo (May 11)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Benson, Sean M (May 11)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP McLaurin, Timothy (May 11)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Serge Vondandamo (May 12)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP David Gutierrez (May 12)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Omar A. Herrera (May 12)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Benson, Sean M (May 12)