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RE: CEH training
From: "Erin Carroll" <amoeba () amoebazone com>
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:15:52 -0700
All, I think we've explored this subject in depth and are wandering off-topic from the list focus. I don't see anything new being added to the discussion so further CEH training emails will be rejected. -Erin Carroll "Do Not Taunt Happy-Fun Ball"
-----Original Message----- From: ctg [mailto:plumme () gmail com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:53 AM To: pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: Re: CEH training2. Speaking to the point of the instructor -- in instructor led training this will make or break the course. If this guy isa d$ck ordoes not explain but reads the book that's a problem. Itis importantto have a well respected, technical trainer that can deliver the course to the students and also has field time in front ofclients anddoing assessments so when the students take the practical exam/Prometric muli-choice they can say... WOW I learned something.Is this enough, I have seen people getting to training courses and cheating their way thru the course. Then getting place somewhere where they glows because of the certification what they got. The problem occurs and organisation reflect this problem to this individual which is in trouble at this point, because he/she cheated and didn't want to read the manual and try to things on his/her own. The big problem really is that people don't want to use their freetime to do things, try them out and try to find the solution on their own. I face situation everyday when people come back to me, asking question from all kind of things. Thing is that I have to think for them, and people just accept the answer, whatever the answer is. When the instructor tells you about the situations, person in hand is able to remember that piece of information for 12 hours and then it start to drop out, unless it's really important thing for the people remember. Only way in 'Hacker' type of courses is that you do thing before, you read the manual, and then you ask the question when you got stuck. After that what you can do, do you believe on the answer what you got from instructor and test it. OR do you take advice, test it and try to form a conclusion? I'm just saying that certification courses are good to certain point, those give you base information and nudge you on correct direction. At the end, you have to be able figure things on your own, or it's no good. -ctg.-
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