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Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating
From: Ron Bowes <ron () skullsecurity net>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 18:07:44 -0700
There's also a word for taking direct actions the first time something happens: http://signalvnoise.com/archives2/dont_scar_on_the_first_cut.php They have some good advice there. Learn the lesson, be wary, but don't jump to making new policies for one-off events. Anyway, it's ultimately up to Fyodor. My opinion is just one. (Moving Nmap-dev to BCC... not sure if that works the way I expect it, but I don't think this conversation needs to continue on the public list) On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Barry Allard <barry.allard () gmail com> wrote:
There's a word for doing nothing and expecting a different result. If you're wrong and if it happens again, losing GSoC will be the least concern. If it doesn't happen again because candidates are more of known quantities, better candidates might be selected and Nmap will look better and it's extra paperwork to help prevent the former. Nothing with people is 100%, but it's better than the alternative. On Wednesday, July 2, 2014, Ron Bowes <ron () skullsecurity net> wrote:I'm always the kind of person that thinks knee-jerk reactions to one-off problems looks worse than solving the rare problem if and when it pops up. But, it's a non-trivial discussion and this is hardly the right place for it. And ultimately, it's up to Fyodor and/or the GSoC admins. Ron On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Barry Allard <barry.allard () gmail com> wrote:It makes all concerned look bad, and not taking measures, even for appearances' sake, looks even worse. — Sent from Mailbox On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Ron Bowes <ron () skullsecurity net> wrote:Fyodor can speak to it better, but realistically in all the students that have come through, this is the first time it's been an issue. I don't suspect it's a big enough problem to try solving just yet. :) On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Barry Allard <barry.allard () gmail com> wrote:PS not that it would stop plagiarism, but maybe ask some FOSS ethics questions. — Sent from Mailbox On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Barry Allard <barry.allard () gmail com> wrote:Maybe require a tech phone screen for all candidates and have a short waiting list should a selected candidate/s drop for any reason. Otherwise, it may make the sponsors / sponsors' org look bad. Barry — Sent from Mailbox On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Ron Bowes <ron () skullsecurity net> wrote:Robin - I believe the 'cheating' was on the application itself, not to Nmap code. When it came to actually writing code, I don't believe he contributed much if anything. Ron On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Robin Wood <robin@digi.ninja> wrote:I've not followed what he submitted but is there any way to use any of it if the original authors are OK with it? May as well salvage what we can. Robin On 2 Jul 2014 04:10, "Fyodor" <fyodor () nmap org> wrote:Hi folks. I'm sorry to report that we had to remove Sriharsha Karamchati from the Nmap GSoC program after he was caught cheating :(. It turns out that most of his coding samples were blatantly plagiarized from others and he apparently can't program at more than a very elementary level. Sriharsha even convinced a real IPv6 researcher to send him pre-publication research, which Sriharsha then submitted to us as his own work after removing the true author's name from every single slide. The saddest part is that we had to reject many worthy, talented and honest applicants who could have done great things with the position. The only good news is that, of the 68 students we've mentored during our decade in the GSoC program, Sriharsha is the first one we had to remove for cheating. Let's hope he is also the last! Cheers, Fyodor _______________________________________________ Sent through the dev mailing list http://nmap.org/mailman/listinfo/dev Archived at http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/_______________________________________________ Sent through the dev mailing list http://nmap.org/mailman/listinfo/dev Archived at http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/_______________________________________________ Sent through the dev mailing list http://nmap.org/mailman/listinfo/dev Archived at http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/-- Barry -- Barry Allard Schedule an office-hours meeting barryallard.youcanbook.me LinkedIn
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- Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Fyodor (Jul 01)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Robin Wood (Jul 01)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Ron Bowes (Jul 02)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Robin Wood (Jul 02)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Barry Allard (Jul 02)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Barry Allard (Jul 02)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Ron Bowes (Jul 02)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Barry Allard (Jul 02)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Ron Bowes (Jul 02)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Barry Allard (Jul 02)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Ron Bowes (Jul 02)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Barry Allard (Jul 02)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Ron Bowes (Jul 02)
- Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating Robin Wood (Jul 01)