RE: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block

[Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

Public side of the NAT would need a huge IPv4 Public pool.
Replacing Private pool to something bigger is a very corner case.
Mobile Carriers identify subscribers not by the IP, they could easy tolerate many overlapping 10/8 even on one Mobile 
Core.
Huge private pool 240/4 is needed only for Cloud providers that have many micro-services.
Nothing to dispute here. The people that need it already well aware about it.
Eduard
From: Abraham Y. Chen [mailto:aychen () avinta com]
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2024 5:39 AM
To: Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard () huawei com>
Cc: nanog () nanog org; KARIM MEKKAOUI <amekkaoui () mektel ca>; Chen, Abraham Y. <AYChen () alum MIT edu>
Subject: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block
Importance: High

Hi, Vasilenko:

1)    ... These “multi-national conglo” has enough influence on the IETF to not permit it.":

    As classified by Vint Cerf, 240/4 enabled EzIP is an overlay network that may be deployed stealthily (just like the 
events reported by the RIPE-LAB). So, EzIP deployment does not need permission from the IETF.

Regards,


Abe (2024-01-11 21:38 EST)




On 2024-01-11 01:17, Vasilenko Eduard wrote:
> It has been known that multi-national conglomerates have been using it without announcement.
This is an assurance that 240/4 would never be permitted for Public Internet. These “multi-national conglo” has enough 
influence on the IETF to not permit it.
Ed/
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+vasilenko.eduard=huawei.com () nanog org] On Behalf Of Abraham Y. Chen
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 3:35 PM
To: KARIM MEKKAOUI <amekkaoui () mektel ca><mailto:amekkaoui () mektel ca>
Cc: nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>; Chen, Abraham Y. <AYChen () alum MIT edu><mailto:AYChen () alum MIT 
edu>
Subject: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block
Importance: High

Hi, Karim:

1)    If you have control of your own equipment (I presume that your business includes IAP - Internet Access Provider, 
since you are asking to buy IPv4 blocks.), you can get a large block of reserved IPv4 address for free by disabling the 
program codes in your current facility that has been disabling the use of 240/4 netblock. Please have a look at the 
below whitepaper. Utilized according to the outlined disciplines, this is a practically unlimited resources. It has 
been known that multi-national conglomerates have been using it without announcement. So, you can do so stealthily 
according to the proposed mechanism which establishes uniform practices, just as well.

    https://www.avinta.com/phoenix-1/home/RevampTheInternet.pdf

2)    Being an unorthodox solution, if not controversial, please follow up with me offline. Unless, other NANOGers 
express their interests.


Regards,


Abe (2024-01-10 07:34 EST)



On 2024-01-07 22:46, KARIM MEKKAOUI wrote:
Hi Nanog Community

Any idea please on the best way to buy IPv4 blocs and what is the price?

Thank you

KARIM




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