Re: CPE/NID options

[Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>]

Can you have an ethernet switch with dying gasp?

Our ONTs (Calix, PON) have it but I don't see how you'd do it with ethernet.

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 11:25 AM Tom Samplonius <tom () samplonius org> wrote:

>   Adva, RAD, and Telco Systems are all good NID options.
>
>   You can go with just any switch, but “proper” NIDs have dying gasp.  If
> the NID is going on a customer premise, I consider dying gasp a must.  The
> dying gasp allows your NOC to determine the difference between a network
> break and fiber cut.
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>
> wrote:
>
> Around here, Spectrum uses an Adva for demarc and it can not do rfc2544
> testing.  They will unplug the Adva and plug in the techs' mobile unit
> (Viavi I think).  VZW/Tmo/Sprint/etc don't seem to mind.
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 9:34 AM Ryan Hamel <ryan () rkhtech org> wrote:
>
> > The problem with using switches as a CPE device is the lack of RFC2544
> > (or equivalent) testing, and monitoring of the complete circuit with TWAMP.
> > Both of which are used to ensure compliance with an SLA.
> >
> > Ryan Hamel
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+ryan=rkhtech.org () nanog org> on behalf of
> > Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>
> > *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2023 6:14 AM
> > *To:* Christopher Hawker <chris () thesysadmin au>
> > *Cc:* North American Network Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
> > *Subject:* Re: CPE/NID options
> >
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> > When you say fiber, is it Ethernet?  If you just want layer 2 and a media
> > converter, Mikrotik is a super good answer.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 12:19 AM Christopher Hawker <chris () thesysadmin au>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ross,
> >
> > I've found these Mikrotik devices to be excellent and reliable:
> >
> > CRS310-8G+2S+IN: 8 x 2.5G copper ethernet ports, 2 x SFP+ cages,
> > rack-mountable. Uses a single DC barrel-jack.
> > https://mikrotik.com/product/crs310_8g_2s_in
> > CRS305-1G-4S+IN: 4 x SFP+ cages, dual DC barrel-jack ports for redundant
> > power, 1 x 1G copper ethernet port for OOB management.
> > https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in
> > CRS310-1G-5S-4S+OUT: 4 x SFP+ cages, 5 x SFP cages, 1 x 1G copper
> > ethernet port for OOB management, can be mounted outdoors.
> > https://mikrotik.com/product/netfiber_9
> >
> > MSRP on all three are at or below $249.00 so are priced quite reasonably.
> > If you only need SFP+ cages I'd opt for the CRS305-1G-4S+IN.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Christopher Hawker
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+chris=thesysadmin.au () nanog org> on behalf
> > of Ross Tajvar <ross () tajvar io>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 23, 2023 3:41 PM
> > *To:* North American Network Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
> > *Subject:* CPE/NID options
> >
> > I'm evaluating CPEs for one of my clients, a regional ISP. Currently,
> > we're terminating the customer's service (L3) on our upstream equipment and
> > extending it over our own fiber to the customer's premise, where it lands
> > in a Juniper EX2200 or EX2300.
> >
> > At a previous job, I used Accedian's ANTs on the customer prem side. I
> > like the ANT because it has a small footprint with only 2 ports, it's
> > passively cooled, it's very simple to operate, it's controlled centrally,
> > etc. Unfortunately, when I reached out to Accedian, they insisted that the
> > controller (which is required) started at $30k, which is a non-starter for
> > us.
> >
> > I'm not aware of any other products like this. Does anyone have a
> > recommendation for a simple L2* device to deploy to customer premises? Not
> > necessarily the exact same thing, but something similarly-featured would be
> > ideal.
> >
> > *I'm not sure if the ANT is exactly "layer 2", but I don't know what else
> > to call it.