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Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP
From: "Jakob Heitz \(jheitz\) via NANOG" <nanog () nanog org>
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:38:22 +0000
That's true Robert. However, communities and med only work with neighbors. Communities routinely get scrubbed because they cause increased memory usage and convergence time in routers. Even new path attributes get scrubbed, because there have been bugs related to new ones in the past. Here is a config snippet in XR router bgp 23456 attribute-filter group testAF attribute unrecognized discard ! neighbor-group testNG update in filtering attribute-filter group testAF The only thing that has any chance to go multiple ASes is as-path. Need to be careful with that too because long ones get dropped. route-policy testRP if as-path length ge 200 then drop endif end-policy Kind Regards, Jakob From: Robert Raszuk <robert () raszuk net> Date: Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:38 AM To: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz () cisco com> Cc: nanog () nanog org <nanog () nanog org> Subject: Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Jakob, With AS-PATH prepend you have no control on the choice of which ASN should do what action on your advertisements. However, the practice of publishing communities by (some) ASNs along with their remote actions could be treated as an alternative to the DPA attribute. It could result in remote PREPEND action too. If only those communities would not be deleted by some transit networks .... Thx, R. On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 9:46 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) via NANOG <nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>> wrote: "prepend as-path" has taken its place. Kind Regards, Jakob Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 21:42:22 +0200 From: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> On 8/16/23 16:16, michael brooks - ESC wrote:
Perhaps (probably) naively, it seems to me that DPA would have been a useful BGP attribute. Can anyone shed light on why this RFC never moved beyond draft status? I cannot find much information on this other than IETF's data tracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-dpa/) and RFC6938 (which implies DPA was in use,?but then was deprecated).
I've never heard of this draft until now, but reading it, I can see why it would likely not be adopted today (not sure what the consensus would have been back in the '90's). DPA looks like MED on drugs. Not sure operators want remote downstream ISP's arbitrarily choosing which of their peering interconnects (and backbone links) carry traffic from source to them. BGP is a poor communicator of bandwidth and shilling cost, in general. Those kinds of decisions tend to be locally made, and permitting outside influence could be a rather hard sell. It reminds me of how router vendors implemented GMPLS in the hopes that optical operators would allow their customers to build and control circuits in the optical domain in some fantastic fashion. Or how router vendors built Sync-E and PTP into their routers hoping that they could sell timing as a service to mobile network operators as part of a RAN backhaul service. Some things just tend to be sacred. Mark.
Current thread:
- Destination Preference Attribute for BGP michael brooks - ESC (Aug 16)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Mark Tinka (Aug 16)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Jakob Heitz (jheitz) via NANOG (Aug 17)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Mark Tinka (Aug 17)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Robert Raszuk (Aug 18)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Jakob Heitz (jheitz) via NANOG (Aug 18)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Robert Raszuk (Aug 18)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Jakob Heitz (jheitz) via NANOG (Aug 18)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Robert Raszuk (Aug 18)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Jakob Heitz (jheitz) via NANOG (Aug 18)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Jakob Heitz (jheitz) via NANOG (Aug 18)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Mark Tinka (Aug 18)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Matthew Petach (Aug 18)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Robert Raszuk (Aug 18)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Mark Tinka (Aug 18)
- Re: Destination Preference Attribute for BGP Matthew Petach (Aug 18)