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Re: ISP data collection from home routers
From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:33:07 -0400
View of traffic into the ISP with Netflow/etc is very different than all on my lan traffic. Tr-069 is bad news. On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 15:53 Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:
You don't even have to use their equipment. My provider at home is Charter / Spectrum. I own my own cable modem / router ,they have no equipment in my home. Their privacy policy is pretty standard. Essentially : - Anything they can see that I transmit they will collect. - Anything they can see when I use their apps , even if I'm not on their network, they will collect. - They will use that information for their technical and business reasons, whatever they want. - I am very limited in what I can request that they don't collect or use. None of this is new in the US. I think more people care about this than we think, but people don't really have an option to vote with their wallets. On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 6:45 AM Giovane C. M. Moura via NANOG < nanog () nanog org> wrote:Hello there, Several years ago, a friend of mine was working for a large telco and his job was to detect which clients had the worst networking experience. To do that, the telco had this hadoop cluster, where it collected _tons_ of data from home users routers, and his job was to use ML to tell the signal from the noise. I remember seeing a sample csv from this data, which contained _thousands_ of data fields (features) from each client. I was _shocked_ by the amount of (meta)data they are able to pull from home routers. These even included your wifi network name _and_ password! (it's been several years since then). And home users are _completely_ unaware of this. So my question to you folks is: - What's the policy regulations on this? I don't remember the features (thousands) but I'm pretty sure you could some profiling with it. - Is anyone aware of any public discussion on this? I have never seen it. Thanks, Giovane Moura
Current thread:
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers, (continued)
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers Joe Greco (Mar 24)
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers Anne Mitchell (Mar 24)
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers Jay Hennigan (Mar 24)
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers Christian David (Mar 25)
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers PJ Capelli via NANOG (Mar 25)
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers Mike Hammett (Mar 25)
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers Francis Booth via NANOG (Mar 25)
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers Mu (Mar 25)
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ISP data collection from home routers Michael Froomkin - U . Miami School of Law (Mar 28)
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers Christopher Morrow (Mar 24)
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers Michael Thomas (Mar 25)
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers Tom Beecher (Mar 25)
- Re: ISP data collection from home routers Eric Kuhnke (Mar 25)