Re: Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock

[Mark Andrews <marka () isc org>]

> On 16 Mar 2022, at 02:54, Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
>
> Having spent nearly 15 years on the ARIN Advisory Council, I think I’m able
> to claim some detailed knowledge on the subject.
>
> In general, the RIRs themselves maintain neutrality about such things, looking to their
> respective communities for input on what to do. However, so long as the IETF and
> has not designated the space Unicast Address Space to be delegated to the
> RIRs for allocation/assignment, IANA will not delegate it to the RIRs and the RIRs
> won’t, therefore, delegate it to users.
>
> If you really want to see this happen (and I still argue that the amount of effort already wasted
> discussing this idea vastly exceeds what would be needed towards IPv6 to get beyond
> caring about it), then the first step must be to convince the IETF to designate the
> space IPv4 Unicast and instruct the IANA to begin issuing those /8s to the RIRs.
>
> Once that happens, the rest of the allocation process is basically automatic. From a policy
> perspective at the RIR level, it will be no different than say 4/8 or 1/8.

Actually it would be fundamentally different to 4/8 or 1/8.  You are looking at firmware upgrades
rather than dealing with squatters and out-of-date ACLs both of which are self-inflicted by one
of the parties.  Routers and end devices that don’t know how to hand 240/4 are no self inflicted
injuries.  Issuing 4/8 or 1/8 worked for parties that had been following the rules.  With 240/4
there where no rules to follow which results in RIR’s leasing known defective addresses.

> Now, convincing vendors to update their firmware, software, etc. is another matter
> and entirely outside of the control of the RIRs. Merchant compliance with IETF standards
> is generally considered useful, but it is entirely voluntary and even in the best of
> circumstances doesn’t every happen instantaneously and almost always involves
> some stumbles along the way.
>
> Owen
>
>
> > On Mar 15, 2022, at 02:54 , Sylvain Baya <abscoco () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear NANOG-ers,
> > Hope this email finds you in good health!
> > Please see my comments below, inline...
> >
> > Le mardi 15 mars 2022, <bzs () theworld com> a écrit :
> >
> >
> > Hi Barry,
> > Thanks for your email, brother!
> >
> >  
> > But the RIRs are the ones fielding requests for IPv4 space, and have
> > some notion of how policy implementation might work in practice, so
> > should have a lot of useful input.
> >
> >
> > ...of course, it appears that RIRs have the opportunity
> >  to add their useful inputs, as Impact Analysis Report
> >  (IAR); during the Policy Development Process (PDP)
> >  initiated by the *appropriate* [1] Internet community.
> > They explain it themselves here [2].
> > __
> > [1]: <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7020>
> > [2]: <https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/q-and-a/>
> >
> > Shalom,
> > --sb.
> >
> >  
> > On March 14, 2022 at 00:45 niels=nanog () bakker net (Niels Bakker) wrote:
> >  > * bzs () theworld com (bzs () theworld com) [Mon 14 Mar 2022, 00:31 CET]:
> >  > >Personally I'd rather hear from the RIRs regarding the value or not 
> >  > >of making more IPv4 space such as 240/4 available. They're on the 
> >  > >front lines of this.
> >  > 
> >  > You've got your policy development process diagram upside down. The 
> >  > community decides what the RIRs implement. They're not in touch with 
> >  > merchant silicon manufacturers.
> >  > 
> >  > 
> >  >      -- Niels.
> >
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