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Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
From: Brandon Svec via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:05:04 -0800
What is the point of these anecdotes? Surely anyone on this list with even a passing knowledge of the broadband landscape in the United States knows how hit or miss it can be. An apartment building could have cheap 1G fiber and the houses across the street have no option but slow DSL. Houses could have reliable high speed cable internet, but the office park across the field has no such choice because the buildout cost is prohibitively high to get fiber, etc. There are plenty of places with only one or two choices of provider too. Of course, this is literally changing by the minute as new services are continually being added and upgraded. *Brandon Svec* On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com> wrote:
OK the one example you provided has gigabit fiber though. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 8:41 AM Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:Can you provide examples?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twe6uTwOyJo&ab_channel=NANOG Our good friend Jared could only get 1.5M DSL living just outside Ann Arbor, MI, so he had to start his own CLEC. I have friends in significantly more rural areas than he lives in ( Niagara and Orleans county NYS , between Niagara Falls and Rochester ) who have the same 400Mb package from Spectrum that I do, living in the City of Niagara Falls. This is not to say that rural America is a mecca of connectivity; there is a long way to go all the way around regardless. But it is a direct example as you asked for. On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:57 PM Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com> wrote:There are plenty of urban and suburban areas in America that are farworse off from a broadband perspective than “rural America”. Can you provide examples? On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:51 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:On Jun 2, 2021, at 02:10 , Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> wrote: On 6/2/21 11:04, Owen DeLong wrote:I disagree… If it could be forced into a standardized format using astandardized approach to data acquisition and reliable comparable results across providers, it could be a very useful adjunct to real competition.If we can't even agree on what "minimum speed for U.S. broadbandconnections" actually means, fat chance having a "nutritional facts" at the back of the "Internet in a tea cup" dropped off at your door step.I'm not saying it's not useful, I'm just saying that easily goes downthe "what color should we use for the bike shed" territory, while people in rural America still have no or poor Internet access.Mark.ROFLMAO… People in Rural America seem to be doing just fine. Most of the ones I know at least have GPON or better. Meanwhile, here in San Jose, a city that bills itself as “The Capital of Silicon Valley”, the best I can get is Comcast (which does finally purport to be Gig down), but rarely delivers that. Yes, anything involving the federal government will get the full bike shed treatment no matter what we do. There are plenty of urban and suburban areas in America that are far worse off from a broadband perspective than “rural America”. Owen
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- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Owen DeLong via NANOG (Feb 10)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Josh Luthman (Feb 10)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Dave Taht (Feb 10)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Tom Beecher (Feb 11)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Josh Luthman (Feb 11)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Brandon Svec via NANOG (Feb 11)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Josh Luthman (Feb 11)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Blake Hudson (Feb 11)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Brandon Svec via NANOG (Feb 11)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Josh Luthman (Feb 11)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Blake Hudson (Feb 11)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Nathan Angelacos (Feb 11)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Josh Luthman (Feb 10)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Brandon Svec via NANOG (Feb 11)
- RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Travis Garrison (Feb 11)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Owen DeLong via NANOG (Feb 16)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Aaron Wendel (Feb 16)