Re: Allegedly Tier 1s in Wikipedia

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

*nods* Two conversations: 


1) What does tier 1 mean? 
2) Does it matter? 




1) Varies, based on if you are trying to include yourself in that list or not. 
2) No. 




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From: "Tom Beecher" <beecher () beecher cc> 
To: "Rubens Kuhl" <rubensk () gmail com> 
Cc: "Nanog" <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 10:58:58 AM 
Subject: Re: Allegedly Tier 1s in Wikipedia 




This conventional interpretation is the one I'm applying in this question. 





I would argue even the 'conventional' definition of 'Tier 1' has been nebulous for long enough that it doesn't really 
matter much anymore. 


Who a network connects with and how is all that matters, regardless of what label they want to apply to themselves. 






On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 2:41 PM Rubens Kuhl < rubensk () gmail com > wrote: 

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On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 3:19 PM Geoff Huston < gih () apnic net > wrote: 
> > On 1 Aug 2022, at 11:10 am, Tom Paseka via NANOG < nanog () nanog org > wrote: 
> >
> > Paying for "peering", doesn't stop you being a tier-1. 
> >
> > Being a Tier-1 means you are "transit free" (technical term, not commercial). No one is transiting your routes to 
> > other Tier-1 providers. 
>
> There are a lot of potential interpretations of “Tier 1” and often folk use the one that benefits their own 
> classification (obviously!). The one I think corresponds to the conventional interpretation is "I’m a Tier 1 because 
> I have a SKA peering agreement with other Tier 1 networks and I pay no other network for transit or peering”, or more 
> informally, “I’m a Tier 1 because I pay nobody and everyone pays me, except for my peers.” 

This conventional interpretation is the one I'm applying in this question. 

> I suspect that what goes on is “I’m a Tier 1 because I say so, and noone has contradicted me yet!" :-) 

Which is unfortunately what some operators serving my region try 
applying. And after being contradicted, they move to "regional Tier-1" 
speech, which is something nobody ever defined. 


Rubens 

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