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Re: how networking happens in Hawaii
From: scott via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:07:32 -1000
On 4/30/2022 1:31 PM, William Herrin wrote:
Strictly speaking, the U.S. government didn't overthrow Hawaii. U.S. expats acting on their own (with some funny business that looked like bribery of U.S. military in the area) overthrew Kamehameha'sdescendant.
That would be the Committee of Safety formed of very, very rich people expressly to overthrow the Hawaiian Kingdom:
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Safety_(Hawaii)" (Their families are still extraordinarily rich to this day)
The U.S. President at the time denounced it (especially the part about suborning the military) but half a decade later the U.S. government agreed to admit the already-conquered territory rather than leave it to be picked off by someone else.
The president at the time of the overthrow attempt saw the lies the Committee of Safety was saying about the lives of Americans being in danger and said no to the overthrow. Extraordinarily rich mainland Americans (steel/rail guys, I think) bought the next president and he was the one that authorized the overthrow. There's a lot more to the story, including US government military marching up Richards St in downtown Honolulu to `Iolani palace and arresting queen Lili`uokalani under gun point.
Countries whose law derives from English Common law have a concept of adverse possession. Details vary but mainly if you can hold the land for 20 years against the owner's wishes then it's your land.Conceptually it applies to nations just as surely as individuals.
Hawaiians did not have this concept. It was forced on them militarily. scott (use your filtering tool to ignore this... :)) This
is wise - it allows folks now alive to avoid an endless descent into the murderous history of land changing hands. Regards, Bill Herrin
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