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Re: how networking happens in Hawaii
From: William Herrin <bill () herrin us>
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 16:31:47 -0700
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 4:09 PM scott via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
On 4/30/2022 12:19 PM, Randy Bush wrote:This reads a lot like dsl wars between ilecs and clecs in the late 90s and early 2ks.compounded by a 100+ year old military occupationThe main question is 'was it a nation when the US gov't overthrew Hawaii or was it a group of individual kingdoms?' Many get that wrong and that's what matters to international courts on the current issue of Hawaiian sovereignty. For sure, it was a nation due to a forced treaty agreement with Kaumuali`i. The rest of the individual island kingdoms were conquered with violence by Kamehameha who then created a lahui..a nation. Therefore, it is a military occupation.
Strictly speaking, the U.S. government didn't overthrow Hawaii. U.S. expats acting on their own (with some funny business that looked like bribery of U.S. military in the area) overthrew Kamehameha's descendant. The U.S. President at the time denounced it (especially the part about suborning the military) but half a decade later the U.S. government agreed to admit the already-conquered territory rather than leave it to be picked off by someone else. Countries whose law derives from English Common law have a concept of adverse possession. Details vary but mainly if you can hold the land for 20 years against the owner's wishes then it's your land. Conceptually it applies to nations just as surely as individuals. This is wise - it allows folks now alive to avoid an endless descent into the murderous history of land changing hands. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin bill () herrin us https://bill.herrin.us/
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- Re: how networking happens in Hawaii Donald Eastlake (Apr 30)
- Re: how networking happens in Hawaii Randy Bush (Apr 30)
- Re: how networking happens in Hawaii William Herrin (Apr 30)
- Re: how networking happens in Hawaii scott via NANOG (Apr 30)
- Re: how networking happens in Hawaii Randy Bush (Apr 30)
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