Re: Parler

[Bryan Holloway <bryan () shout net>]

There's a pretty big difference between imparting knowledge and inciting 
violence.

#redherring

Disclaimer: I own this book.


On 1/12/21 6:40 PM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> And yet, Amazon will still happily sell you this item:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Anarchist-Cookbook-William-Powell/dp/1607966123/
>
> In fact, it is listed as:  #1 Best Seller in Anarchism
>
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> “Better even die free, than to live slaves.” - Frederick Douglas, 1863
>
> > On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Paul Timmins <paul () telcodata us> wrote:
> >
> > "You have to let your customer's services contain death threats against the owner of your company or we'll blacklist 
> > you" is the wildest take of 2021 yet.
> >
> > Blocking Amazon because of who they allow to remain a customer is something I wholeheartedly encourage my competitors 
> > to do.
> >
> > On 1/12/21 9:29 AM, Kevin McCormick wrote:
> > > Imagine if Tier 1 ISPs had a censorship free clause that required companies like Twitter, Facebook, and Amazon to 
> > > provide services free of censorship or have IP blocks blackholed. They would lose hundreds of millions of dollars per 
> > > day. I bet they would reverse their tone in a hurry.
> > >
> > > https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/idaho-internet-provider-to-block-facebook-twitter-over-their-trump-bans/
> > >   
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Kevin McCormick
> > >   
> > > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+kmccormick=mdtc.net () nanog org> On Behalf Of mark seery
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 8:06 PM
> > > To: K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com>
> > > Cc: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
> > > Subject: Re: Parler
> > >   
> > > I assume multiple networks/ ISPs that have acceptable use policies that call out criminality and incitement to violence, for example:
> > >   
> > > https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/comcast-acceptable-use-policy
> > >   
> > > Have these AUPs been invoked previously for these reasons, or would that be new territory?
> > >
> > > Sent from Mobile Device
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:52 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Right, it's not a list for content hosting.
> > >   
> > > Scott Helms
> > >   
> > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:42 PM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:
> > > No, this is a list for Network Operators.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 10, 2021, at 5:32 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > This is a list for pushing bits.  The fact that many/most of us have other businesses doesn't make this an appropriate 
> > > forum for SIP issues (to use my own work as an example).
> > >   
> > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 4:52 PM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:
> > > This is a list for Network Operators, AWS certainly operates networks.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 10, 2021, at 4:27 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > No,
> > >   
> > > It really does not.  Section 230 only applies to publishers, and not to network providers.  If this were a cloud hosting provider list then you'd be correct, but as a network provider's list it does not belong here.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Helms
> > >
> > >   
> > >   
> > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 3:21 PM Lady Benjamin PD Cannon <ben () 6by7 net> wrote:
> > > As network operations and compute/cloud/hosting operations continue to coalesce, I very much disagree with you.  
> > > Section 230 is absolutely relevant, this discussion is timely and relevant, and it directly affects me as both a 
> > > telecom and cloud compute/services provider.
> > >   
> > >   
> > > —L.B.
> > >   
> > > Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
> > > 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
> > > CEO
> > > ben () 6by7 net
> > > "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the world.”
> > > FCC License KJ6FJJ
> > >
> > >
> > > <Speedtest9118.png>
> > > <Ben LIC.png>
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:13 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com> wrote:
> > >   
> > > It's not, and frankly it's disappointing to see people pushing an agenda here.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Helms
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:37 AM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > NANOG is a group of Operators, discussion does not have to be about networking. I have already explained how this 
> > > represents a significant issue for Network Operators.
> > >
> > > On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Mike Bolitho <mikebolitho () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > It has nothing to do with networking. Their decision was necessarily political. If you can specifically bring up an issue, beyond 
> > > speculative, on how their new chosen CDN is somehow now causing congestion or routing issues on the public internet, then great. 
> > > But as of now, that isn't even a thing. It's just best to leave it alone because it will devolve into chaos.
> > >
> > > - Mike Bolitho
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:54 AM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Why? This is extremely relevant to network operators and is not political at all.
> > >
> > > On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Mike Bolitho <mikebolitho () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Can we please not go down this rabbit hole on here? List admins?
> > >
> > > - Mike Bolitho
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:26 AM William Herrin <bill () herrin us> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Anybody looking for a new customer opportunity? It seems Parler is in
> > > search of a new service provider. Vendors need only provide all the
> > > proprietary AWS APIs that Parler depends upon to function.
> > >
> > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/amazon-parler-suspension/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Bill HErrin