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Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts
From: Sean Donelan <sean () donelan com>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 13:36:10 -0500 (EST)
As I mentioned I used residential pricing because its easier to find. Getting industrial pricing is more difficult because its often viewed as proprietary secret information with particular customers. Its more difficult to get industrial pricing across all countries (and states in the USA). Then people would say that industrial pricing isn't comparable because it includes discounts, such as load shedding during peak usage.
So I used residential pricing. But I would love if you could produce a report on industrial electric pricing around the world, for free of course.
Germany is recouping the cost of undergrounding HV transmission lines (and other political choices) through those surcharges, i.e. there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
The problems with the Texas eletric grid is really a market arbitrage failure. The decision makers like to blame it on "unforseeable events."
Just ask the Harvard professor which created it. Storm damage doesn't stop at state borders. On Wed, 17 Feb 2021, Rod Beck wrote:
Using residential pricing for a data center is a bit odd, isn't? Remember, European businesses can reclaim VAT and a European data center would access much lower tariffs than a European household. And residential pricing includes VAT. Germany is an outlier because about 50% of the 30 cents is taxes and surcharges.
Current thread:
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts, (continued)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Rich Kulawiec (Feb 22)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Tom Beecher (Feb 24)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Michael Thomas (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Rod Beck (Feb 17)
- RE: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Milt Aitken (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Haudy Kazemi via NANOG (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Sabri Berisha (Feb 17)
- RE: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts John van Oppen (Feb 17)
- RE: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Milt Aitken (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Mal via NANOG (Feb 19)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Sean Donelan (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Carsten Bormann (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Sean Donelan (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Carsten Bormann (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Michael Thomas (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Fred Baker (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Rod Beck (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Bret Clark (Feb 16)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Mark Tinka (Feb 17)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Rich Kulawiec (Feb 22)
- Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts Rod Beck (Feb 22)