Re: questions about ARIN ipv6 allocation

[John Curran <jcurran () arin net>]

Owen -

The RSA and LRSA agreements are identical, however, it is true that you would lose legacy holder resource status (for 
those IPv4 resources issued to you before ARIN’s formation) if you consolidate to a single Org with one bill under the 
RSA.

For the curious, there are two implications to such a change: 

   a) you lose the $25 per year cap on fee increases (unclear if this is a substantial benefit at this point since we 
tend not to adjust the fees except every 3 or 4 years and the fees have been almost for those with the smaller total 
block sizes), and 
   b) there is different agreement exit conditions in the result of prevailing against ARIN in an arbitration dispute.

You have the choice to consolidate or not as you see fit; none of this is particularly germane to the original question 
of whether ARIN IPv4-only resource holders can obtain an IPv6 block without increase in their annual fees — to that 
that the answer is yes.

Thanks,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


> On Dec 5, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
>
> I’d also be willing to consolidate under RSA if I could get the same protections I have under LRSA. ARIN won’t do 
> that, either.
>
> Owen
>
>
> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:12 PM, John Curran <jcurran () arin net> wrote:
> >
> > Owen - 
> >
> >    Correct - ARIN will not allow you to bring non-legacy resources under an LRSA agreement. 
> >
> > Thanks,
> > /John
> >
> > John Curran
> > President and CEO
> > American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >
> >
> > > > On 4 Dec 2021, at 9:59 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would be more than happy to consilolidate my ipv6 addresses under my lrsa, but ARIN will not allow it. 
> > >
> > > Owen
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 17:43, John Curran <jcurran () arin net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Yes Owen, that is correct…
> > > >
> > > > If an organization insists on maintaining multiple contractual relationships with ARIN (for whatever reason) then 
> > > > they will be billed for each relation separately - and that is indeed likely to be more than having a single 
> > > > consolidated agreement for all number resources.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > /John
> > > >
> > > > John Curran
> > > > President and CEO
> > > > American Registry for Internet Numbers
> > > >
> > > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:59 AM, John Curran <jcurran () arin net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just for clarity - ARIN’s fee schedule is such that ISP customers (i.e. those with registration service plans) 
> > > > > > pay an annual services fee based on their higher category of IPv4 or IPv6 resources – i.e. those with IPv4 
> > > > > > resources can obtain a corresponding size of IPv6 resources without any change in size category or increase in 
> > > > > > their annual fee. 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Also worth noting - as of January 2022, all end-user customers are moving to the same registration services 
> > > > > > plan, and similarly those with just IPv4 number resources be able to obtain corresponding IPv6 resources without 
> > > > > > change to their annual fee.]
> > > > >
> > > > > This, whether they want to or not… In many cases resulting in significant unwanted fee increases, especially if 
> > > > > you have a mix of resources covered under RSA and LRSA due to ARIN’s accounting limitations that they are 
> > > > > perversely disincentivized against fixing because it allows them to essentially double-bill.
> > > > >
> > > > > Owen
> > > > > >