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Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation
From: Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:37:39 -0400
After "consideration of the affidavit" the court allowed "up to" $50 million to be frozen. Whatever the merits of the affidavit are, it indicates that the court looked at the facts, made a determination and based on that ordered the asset freeze.
There's an important distinction to be made here. The Supreme Court of Mauritius did not ORDER the asset freeze. The order AUTHORIZED CI to garnish $50MUSD of AFRINIC's assets "at it's own risks and perils" . This means that if AFRINIC countersues CI , and it is found in court that CI did not have a valid claim to AFRINIC's assets, CI will be liable for damages. On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 3:09 PM Sabri Berisha <sabri () cluecentral net> wrote:
----- On Aug 30, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Rubens Kuhl rubensk () gmail com wrote: Hello Rubens, First and foremost, I appreciate that you're keeping it civil.On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 2:35 PM Sabri Berisha <sabri () cluecentral net>wrote:The learned people on this list do not strike me as the kind of persontogo out and engage in vigilante justice if a court decides against them.Thevery fabric of our civilized society depends on us resolving ourconflictsin court, not out on the (virtual) streets. You may disagree with arulingbut I implore you to respect it.As previously mentioned, this is about something that doesn't involve a court ruling, at least not yet, but a seizure request made by the party to attack the sustainability of the RIR. Rulings that people disagree have their own way inside the court system to be dealt with.I really, really don't want to upset Mel more than he already is, but Owen shared a link with an actual order of the court. After "consideration of the affidavit" the court allowed "up to" $50 million to be frozen. Whatever the merits of the affidavit are, it indicates that the court looked at the facts, made a determination and based on that ordered the asset freeze. That sounds like a (preliminary) ruling to me. I don't necessarily agree with it due to the implications it has on African internet operations, and, as Mark rightfully brought up, all the employment that depends on it, but I have to respect it. And don't get me wrong: I am not informed enough as to the dispute itself so I'm unable to form an opinion on who is right and who is wrong here. People whom I deeply respect on this list are on opposite sides so that adds to the confusion. I am, however, concerned with the operational implications. That's why I donated to the keep-Afrinic-alive-fund. I've ran an RBL for years, which many people used. It closed down more than a decade ago. Out of 100 DNS queries I logged just now with a quick tcpdump on one of my three DNS servers, I counted 51 for rbl.cluecentral.net. That's why I'm advocating to reconsider your carpet-bombing (filter into oblivion) recommendation. People don't remove them. Thanks, Sabri
Current thread:
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation, (continued)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Mark Tinka (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Owen DeLong via NANOG (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Noah (Aug 31)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Mark Tinka (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Owen DeLong via NANOG (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Mark Tinka (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Owen DeLong via NANOG (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Mark Tinka (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Rubens Kuhl (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Sabri Berisha (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Tom Beecher (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Rubens Kuhl (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Sabri Berisha (Aug 30)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Noah (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation John Levine (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Masataka Ohta (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Martin Hannigan (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Rubens Kuhl (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Martin Hannigan (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Owen DeLong via NANOG (Aug 29)
- Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation Mark Tinka (Aug 27)