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Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits]
From: Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 11:32:21 -0400
I agree with you in the utility of that, but sort of as a side topic... I wonder how many ASes are out there that have any significant volume of traffic/multi-site presences, but are exclusively 100% transit customers, do not have any PNIs at major carrier hotels, and are not members of any IX. What would be a good example of such an AS and how big of a network would it be? Undoubtedly there are some enterprise end user type customers set up like that, but I can't imagine they receive a very large volume of unsolicited peering requests. On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 6:32 AM Ben Maddison via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
Hi Patrick, On 08/18, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:Of course! Including headers to show authenticity. I was very amusedby theexplanation of the "chicken and egg" problem. Who's creating that? Thenetworkswho refuse to peer with non-peeringdb registered ASNs, or peeringdbwho won'trecognize ASNs that are not peering with anyone because nobody wantsto peerwith them because they are not registered in peeringdb because nobodywants topeer with them? You get the idea.First, most networks do not require a PDB record to peer. (Silly of them, I know, but still true.) Second, you do not need to have a PDB record to get a link to an IXP. Even membership in a free IXP is sufficient for an account in PDB, as Grizz points out below. Third, if you have an agreement, even just an email, saying a network will peer with you once you have a record, that may well suffice. Have you asked any network to peer? Private peering (because you are not on an IXP) is usually reserved for networks with more than a modicum of traffic. If your network is large enough to qualify for private peering, I have trouble believing you cannot get another network to agree to peer so you can get a record. I guess you are right, the _Peering_DB does not register “certain” networks. Those networks would be ones that do not peer. Which seems pretty obvious to me - it is literally in the name.A PDB record for an Internet-connected ASN, listing no IXPs or facilities, but with a note saying approximately "We only use transit, and don't peer" has some utility: it saves prospective peers from finding contacts to ask and sending emails, etc. I'd argue this is in scope for PDB. But perhaps there was additional context to the original decision that I'm missing? Cheers, Ben
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- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Sabri Berisha (Aug 18)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Niels Bakker (Aug 18)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Rubens Kuhl (Aug 18)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Sabri Berisha (Aug 18)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Niels Bakker (Aug 18)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Randy Bush (Aug 18)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Matthew Walster (Aug 18)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Nick Hilliard (Aug 19)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Randy Bush (Aug 18)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Ben Maddison via NANOG (Aug 19)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Eric Kuhnke (Aug 19)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Adam Thompson (Aug 19)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Eric Kuhnke (Aug 22)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Ross Tajvar (Aug 19)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Brielle (Aug 19)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Seth Mattinen (Aug 19)
- Re: PeerinDB refuses to register certain networks [was: Setting sensible max-prefix limits] Stefan Funke (Aug 20)
- Re: Setting sensible max-prefix limits Lukas Tribus (Aug 18)
- Re: Setting sensible max-prefix limits Hank Nussbacher (Aug 18)