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Re: DoD IP Space
From: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 22:34:38 +0000
On 25 Apr 2021, at 4:59 PM, Sabri Berisha <sabri () cluecentral net<mailto:sabri () cluecentral net>> wrote: ----- On Apr 25, 2021, at 2:24 AM, Bill Woodcock woody () pch net<mailto:woody () pch net> wrote: Hi, I think I’d characterize it, rather, as a possible privatization of public property. This comment sparked my curiosity. Does ARIN consider IP space to be property? One could argue both ways: 1. Whomever "owns" a netblock simply owns the right to use and advertise it as long as it's being used for the purposes under which it was assigned by a number registry. This would be similar to "apartment rights" in a condominium complex. OR; 2. IP space comes with property rights such as selling and leasing as one wishes. But, that would also imply that IP space can be stolen. I'd be curious to hear what ARIN's position is on this. Sabri - ARIN’s position can be clearly found in section 2 of the Registration Services Agreement <https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsa.pdf> - – When parties are issued IP address blocks, they are given a limited bundle of contractual rights to an entry in the registry database. – These rights include the exclusive right to be associated with a specific entry, the exclusive right to administer that entry in the ARIN registry database, and exclusive right of transfer this bundle of rights in accordance with adopted policy. Two things: a) None of this pertains to a right to announce or route an IP address block – ISPs each control their own routing and often care about who holds rights to a block in the registry, but that does not equate to issuing a “right to route.” b) You’ll probably want to discuss with legal counsel for more specifics of the nuances between contractual rights versus property rights, particularly when if comes to intangible rights, enforceability against specific parties versus the world, etc. Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers
Current thread:
- RE: DoD IP Space, (continued)
- RE: DoD IP Space Jean St-Laurent via NANOG (Apr 26)
- RE: DoD IP Space Jean St-Laurent via NANOG (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space Stephane Bortzmeyer (Apr 26)
- Re: DoD IP Space John Curran (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space Michael Thomas (Apr 26)
- Re: DoD IP Space Mark Foster (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space Mel Beckman (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space Bill Woodcock (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space Christian de Larrinaga via NANOG (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space Sabri Berisha (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space John Curran (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space Mark Foster (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space John Curran (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space sronan (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space John Curran (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space John Curran (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space Randy Bush (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space Michael Butler via NANOG (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space John Curran (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space sronan (Apr 25)
- Re: DoD IP Space John Curran (Apr 25)