Re: Google IP Geolocation

["Nick Suan" <nsuan () nonexiste net>]

The portal account isn't even the be all and end all of fixing this, we're telling google where our endpoints are 
explicitly with a geofeed, The portal says the clients are in the right location and for some reason it's still decided 
some of our IPs are on the other side of the world. 

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
> I've had a similar issue in the past trying to get ready to peer with 
> them. I wanted portal access to look at things. I may yet post a 
> geofeed file just because. 
>
> (I was also rejected a portal account, didn't escalate to friends at 
> google because I know my traffic is under a gig for now). 
>
> - Jared 
>  
> Ps: Akamai can take geofeed if you have issues
>
> Sent from my TI-99/4a
>
> > On Apr 10, 2021, at 4:57 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > Yup. I've had this problem with Google for two years now.
> >
> > "We're Google. We know better than you. We're not interested in discussion. And no, you can't have access to the 
> > ISP portal you silly little person"  ...... is the summary of my experience.
> >
> > And all this is despite my network peering with Google over a major IXP.  They *STILL* can't get the right 
> > geolocation despite having a direct peering session with us over the exchange !
> >
> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> >
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > On Monday, 29 March 2021 21:12, Troy Kelly via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
> > >
> > > We've also been denied access to the ISP portal.
> > >
> > > When we replied as to why, we were told to not open another ticket. They aren't interested in conversation.
> > >
> > > Sent from ProtonMail mobile
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > On 30 Mar 2021, 6:53 am, Mike Hammett < nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've had others at Google specifically say that portal should be used for that purpose, so maybe they need to 
> > > > make sure right and left hands know what the other is doing.
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > > >
> > > > Midwest-IX
> > > > http://www.midwest-ix.com
> > > >
> > > > From: "Josh Luthman" <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>
> > > > To: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
> > > > Cc: nanog () nanog org
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:52:48 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
> > > >
> > > > https://isp.google.com
> > > >
> > > > I signed up for an account there and they said:
> > > >
> > > > "Currently, the Google ISP portal is designed for our partners of GGC, PNI or IX programs.
> > > >  
> > > > The access to portal is granted on request only to our partners." 
> > > >
> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:08 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:59 PM Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Google ISP specifically told me they didn't want to do deal with geolocation on the ISP portal.
> > > > >
> > > > > unsure who 'google isp' is here, but ... I think if you point at a properly formed geo-location data file it'll 
> > > > > get eaten and produce proper results for you.
> > > > > you do have to add that in your isp portal:
> > > > >    tri-pipe-thingy -> configuration -> IP geolocation
> > > > > and /register feed/ button on that page.
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > > > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > > > Suite 1337
> > > > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:28 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > As a note, on the ISP portal there's a place to put a link to your RFC8805 format geolocation feed...
> > > > > > > these are scraped out 'regularly' and help keep things oriented better for folks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the ietf noc folk use this method to tell google (and other folk who scrape out our data) where meetings are 
> > > > > > > before the meetings get there:
> > > > > > >   https://noc.ietf.org/geo/google.csv
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -chris
> > > > > > > volunteer noc persona
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 6:43 PM Michael K. Spears <michael () spears io> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a 
> > > > > > > > way, notably finding the link…
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael K. Spears
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 727.656.3347
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Michael K. Spears <michael () spears io>
> > > > > > > > Cc: nanog () nanog org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal 
> > > > > > > > once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Midwest-IX
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.midwest-ix.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: "Michael K. Spears" <michael () spears io>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To: nanog () nanog org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 5:10:23 PM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Google IP Geolocation
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to 
> > > > > > > > Google is in the wrong language.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael K. Spears