Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939

["Forrest Christian (List Account)" <lists () packetflux com>]

I guess I should have been a bit clearer.

Yes, what you would be ordering is typically a lit L2 circuit.   However,
my experience is that certain carrier salespeople tend to call anything
like this a 'wave'.  I have had lots of discussions over the years with
various salespeople about the difference, and yes, it's pretty much always
lit L2.   Centurylink (now Lumen) even sells a service they call "Encrypted
Wavelength Service".  Not sure how one encrypts light....



On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 1:25 AM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com> wrote:

> For small ISPs looking at setting up their first ever presence at an IX
> point, you almost certainly would not be ordering an actual 'wave' (eg: a
> specific DWDM channel on a legacy 10G DWDM platform, handed off to you with
> 1310/LX interfaces at both ends), but lit layer 2 transport service between
> the carrier hotel and your service location.
>
> Pricing for the two types of service can be quite different when you
> request an actual 'wave' from a carrier sales person, vs just lit L2
> transport capable of large MTUs, QinQ, etc.
>
> The ISP carrying it might take it between those two places as simply a
> vlan trunked through a larger 100G link, as a MPLS circuit, lots of
> possible things.
>
> Unless you happened to be in a happy conjunction of the right place at the
> right time, and an older DWDM system on exactly the same path you wanted
> happened to have an empty channel and ready to go interface cards at both
> ends.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 11:12 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> lists () packetflux com> wrote:
>
> > Generally one would order a circuit (aka wave) between your location and
> > the IX fabric at the interchange if you're not at the site you're wanting
> > to peer at.
> >
> > For instance, the network I am the network engineer for has a circuit
> > which terminates into the Seattle IX (SIX) fabric.   We don't have any
> > other presence in Seattle (or Washington for that matter) at this point -
> > our circuit connects directly to our port on the Exchange.   We're
> > considering adding a similar link to another exchange point somewhere to
> > the east or southeast of us.   I haven't looked at the graphs recently, but
> > it's not uncommon for >50% of our traffic to come from the exchange.   And
> > yes, we're peered with Hurricane and others there.
> >
> > We're also looking at dropping 1U or so of equipment in so we can pick up
> > some transit as well, but that's a story for a different day about the joys
> > of providing internet in the less populated parts of the country.
> >
> > In your case, it also looks like there are also some peering options at
> > the datacenters you are currently at as well.   You may want to do some
> > more research to determine how that might work in your situation.
> >  PeeringDB is a good resource along with google searches for "peering 100
> > Taylor" or "peering austin data foundry"
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:51 PM <aaron1 () gvtc com> wrote:
> >
> > > Don’t you have to be there to join?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I’m in Austin and San Antonio
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Aaron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>
> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2020 7:20 PM
> > > *To:* Aaron Gould <aaron1 () gvtc com>
> > > *Cc:* nanog () nanog org
> > > *Subject:* Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://bgp.he.net/AS16527
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You don't appear to be on any IXes. Definitely join some IXes before
> > > buying another 100G of transit.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > DFW has a couple and there are some more that are starting up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Mike Hammett
> > > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> > > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> > > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> > > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> > > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > *From: *"Aaron Gould" <aaron1 () gvtc com>
> > > *To: *nanog () nanog org
> > > *Sent: *Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:29:55 PM
> > > *Subject: *Hurricane Electric AS6939
> > >
> > > Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink?  I’m thinking about using them for
> > > 100gig in Texas.  It would be for my eyeballs ISP.  We currently have
> > > Spectrum, Telia and Cogent.
> > >
> > > -Aaron
> >
> >
> > --
> > - Forrest

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- Forrest