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Re: 5G roadblock: labor


From: Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 06:25:11 -0800

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:56 AM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom mu> wrote:



On 1/Jan/20 17:35, Brandon Butterworth wrote:


If the mobile companies are providing the WiFi routers they can
control it (see LTE WiFi attempt) and one day replace it with
5G or 6G in all the things. If they make a better job of it than
everyones devices fighting for 5GHz then they may succeed.

The main issue is the artificial concept of "buying data" so you can get
online.

I don't see any legacy MNO's selling you unlimited access to their radio
network. So wi-fi hooked up to some kind of unlimited terrestrial wire
(fibre, copper, wireless, e.t.c.) is what will discourage the kids from
relying on MNO's to provide all of their connectivity needs, especially
in fixed settings such as homes and such.


Mark, you are oversimplifying the market

1.  All wireless networks are capped by spectrum capacity / physica.  As a
user, you have been on a congested cell site and a congested 802.11 AP.
So, as an operator, you have to ration service. That means cap / qos / $

2.  In the USA, Cable / fiber / copper ISPs sometimes do not sell unlimited
either

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.howtogeek.com/424037/googles-stadia-is-about-to-crash-against-isp-data-caps/amp/

Network operators like to set their rates based on some median user
profile.  They are not being exploitive. Some users tax the network more
and drive the upgrade cycle more than others.


3. There are wifi providers, wisps, cable, mno ... they all compete and
blur the lines. I think wifi has provided limited benefit to cable
operators that have deployed it, but hope for using free spectrum springs
enternal

https://www.fiercewireless.com/operators/altice-mobile-garners-its-first-15-000-subs-and-3m-revenue





Mark.


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