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Re: RIPE our of IPv4


From: Mark Andrews <marka () isc org>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2019 12:56:59 +1100

End Users
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their Internet services.

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Registration Services Plan. End users who do so receive additional services, including ARIN Membership and the ability 
to report reassignment information and/or provide utilization data via the Shared Whois Project (SWIP). Organizations 
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requesting future Internet number resources from ARIN. The applicable annual Registration Services Plan will be 
invoiced annually based on the organization resources in the ARIN registry.

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IPv4 / IPv6 Number Resources

Initial

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the service category approved for them by Registration Services. After an assignment has been approved, ARIN will 
invoice for payment. Payment and the executed Registration Services Agreement (RSA)  must be received before resources 
are issued.

Annual

An organization’s annual fee is due each year at the end of their anniversary month (the month of their initial 
assignment). Annual maintenance fees are $150 USD for each IPv4 address block, $150 USD for each IPv6 address block, 
and $150 USD for each ASN assigned to the organization.

Note: ARIN Membership is also available to end-user customers who pay fees on a per resource basis.

https://www.arin.net/resources/fees/fee_schedule/#ipv4-ipv6-number-resources


On 2 Dec 2019, at 12:23, Matthew Kaufman <matthew () matthew at> wrote:

I get $500, not $150, when I read the price list.

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 4:06 PM Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
You’re saying that there are two networks that are of sufficient complexity/size/whatever to require PA addressing, 
yet lack the resources for $150/year in registration fees?

I suppose it’s not impossible, but I’m wondering how they afford the other expenses associated with maintaining such 
a network.

Owen


On Nov 30, 2019, at 09:00 , Matthew Kaufman <matthew () matthew at> wrote:

I administer two networks that use legacy IPv4 blocks (one also uses an allocation from the 44 net)

Both could have IPv6 if it was free, but neither organization has the funds to waste on a paid IPv6 allocation.

We should have given every legacy block matching free IPv6 space, because early adopters are still sometimes early 
adopters. 

But you’re right, what could have been supported on a volunteer basis is now a profit center. Especially for IPv6, 
which is once-and-done if sized properly.

Matthew Kaufman

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:29 PM <bzs () theworld com> wrote:

If the commitment really was to spread IPv6 far and wide IPv6 blocks
would be handed out for free, one per qualified customer (e.g., if you
have an IPv4 allocation you get one IPv6 block free), or perhaps some
trivial administrative fee like $10 per year.

But the RIRs can't live on that.

We have put them under the management of a group of five organizations
which are very dependent on the income from block allocations and no
doubt were hoping IPv6 allocations would be a boon since there will be
very little if any income growth from future IPv4 block allocations.

Worse, once acquired an IPv6 block has so many billions of addresses
very few if any would ever need another allocation so it would hardly
act as a loss leader.

I realize many still would not deploy IPv6 for various reasons such as
their equipment doesn't support it or they don't have the in-house
expertise to support it, etc tho I can't think of much other etc, a
few points of resistance do come up.

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